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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/10/2024 19:23, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:efc@disroot.org">efc@disroot.org</a>
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2024, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat wrote:
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On 01/10/2024 15:08, swisscows wrote:
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Is this a common problem in the US? This is an honest
question. I've had my run ins with mainly arabian robbers and
assailants, but nothing serious ever happened and I managed to
defend myself. <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span
class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>Despite<span
class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> probably having
experienced way more violence than the average sweden, I would
not even dream of walking around with a camera. It would not
solve anything, and given the level of intelligence of the
people involved in this incident, as well as laws against
filming in public, I don't think it would work.
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Who has such laws? (in the democratic west, I mean, of course.
This discussion obviously doesn't apply to authoritarian
countries,
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where 'the law' is whatever the local despot decides it is).
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Filming in public is perfectly legal (as it should be) in the
UK, the US, and Sweden, as far as I'm aware.
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Ben
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In sweden and the EU it depends on what you do with it. If you
film and then store the film and never do anything with it or
show it, it is most likely ok. If you film, in sweden, a object
of national interest (airports, harbors, military bases etc.)
you are commiting a crime and will be fined and/or sent to
prison. This is a new law that came into effect on the 1/1 2024.
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If you film people so that they can be identified and make that
film publicly available, you are breaking GDPR if you do not get
their consent.
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Putting up CCTV cameras, again filming in public, is strictly
regulated, and having your Tesla parked regularly on your street
with an active camera could possibly break that rule.
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So when it comes to the US I have no illusion of privacy
protection existing. UK I have no idea, but since London is full
of CCTV cameras I would assume that any protection for the
privacy of people has been eroded.
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But above is based on my knowledge of sweden and swedish law, as
a swede.
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That's interesting.<br>
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And it makes me wonder about the millions of doorbell cameras that
automatically stream images of the street (and the people on it) to
cloud servers scattered all over the world, including places like
China and Russia. How do you 'strictly regulate' that??<br>
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Or are these cameras not allowed in Sweden?<br>
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In the UK and US, I think the principle is the same as anything you
post on the internet: Regardless of the theory (the law, industry
regulations, codes of practice, terms of use, etc.), in reality you
have no expectation of privacy. GDPR is meaningless, it's like a
sticking plaster on a sharkbite.<br>
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Ben<br>
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