<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(15,17,17);font-family:"Amazon Ember",Arial,sans-serif">The science of emotion is in the midst of a revolution on par with the discovery of relativity in physics and natural selection in biology. Leading the charge is psychologist and neuroscientist Lisa Feldman Barrett, whose research overturns the long-standing belief that emotions are automatic, universal, and hardwired in different brain regions. Instead, Barrett shows, we construct each instance of emotion through a unique interplay of brain, body, and culture.</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(15,17,17);font-family:"Amazon Ember",Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(15,17,17);font-family:"Amazon Ember",Arial,sans-serif">This is a blurb from Amazon for the bookI recently read: </span></div><h1 id="gmail-title" class="gmail-a-spacing-none gmail-a-text-normal" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding:0px;margin:0px;font-size:28px;line-height:36px;color:rgb(15,17,17);font-family:"Amazon Ember",Arial,sans-serif"><span id="gmail-productTitle" class="gmail-a-size-large gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:24px;line-height:32px">How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain </span><span id="gmail-productSubtitle" class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px">Paperback – Illustrated, March 13, 2018<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> Lisa Barett - psychologist/neuroscientist</span></span></h1><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Basic idea is fairly old: emotions are nothing but arousal interpreted. Arousal on a roller-coaster gets interpreted by some as fear, by some as excitement, and by some as both. The fear giving the excitement a bit of a frisson. </span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As for music - I have no idea, but nothing in this world can get me more emotional than music. It doesn't have to be classical.</span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></span></div><div><span class="gmail-a-size-medium gmail-a-color-secondary gmail-celwidget" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:18px;line-height:24px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">billw</span></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 9:55 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, 10:09 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 at 18:52, Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br>
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> It's an example of consciousness pursing it's own goals (e.g. seeking novel experiences), and suppressing purely evolutionary goals. You can't explain bungee jumping in evolutionary terms, but you can when you recognize that all value is rooted in states of conscious experience.<br>
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> I think it is useful to recognize as Sperry does here, that even within the same system of a human body, there any many distinct systems of causality at play, operating simultaneously:<br>
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> "I am going to align myself in a counterstand, along with that approximately 0.1 per cent mentalist minority, in support of a hypothetical brain model in which consciousness and mental forces generally are given their due representation as important features in the chain of control. These appear as active operational forces and dynamic properties that interact with and upon the physiological machinery. Any model or description that leaves out conscious forces, according to this view, is bound to be pretty sadly incomplete and unsatisfactory. The conscious mind in this scheme, far from being put aside and dispensed with as an "inconsequential byproduct," "epiphenomenon," or "inner aspect," as is the customary treatment these days, gets located, instead, front and center, directly in the midst of the causal interplay of cerebral mechanisms.<br>
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Well, I don't want to get into a discussion on the alternative<br>
theories of consciousness. :)<br>
More knowledgeable people than me are still arguing about that.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think you're right we can ignore the issue of consciousness, so long as we don't lose sight of the fact that there are many (sometimes competing or contradictory) forces at play:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- Evolutionary forces (wanting to survive and reproduce)</div><div dir="auto">- Psychological forces (seeking pleasure)</div><div dir="auto">- Thought processes (this activity seems risky)</div><div dir="auto">- Chemical forces (hormones, adrenaline, dopamine)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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But bungee jumping seems to be readily explained by inherited<br>
evolutionary traits.<br>
Bungee jumping causes the release of adrenaline and other stress<br>
hormones into our body, as for the "fight or flight" response.</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
The euphoria experienced after a jump is the reward for being brave<br>
and relief at surviving a dangerous situation.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">These reasons seems to fit your question of likiy loud noises, no?<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There're plenty of behaviors people do that are evolutionarily-speaking bad for them (opioids, slot machines, junk food, etc.).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It's because they exert influence over our neural systems, which are far more complex than our genetic systems. Genes (at 750 MB) can't prepare us for every situation we might face in the environment, which is why we need neurology with an complexity of around (8,000 TB). The former can't specify the latter, and so there is room for environmental things that can corrupt our neurology at the expense of the genetic goals of survival and reproduction.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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There is also social status benefit in demonstrating courage and<br>
physical fitness to other members of the tribe.<br>
(Though this may be reduced by having to be pushed off the platform<br>
and screaming in terror all the way down). :)<br>
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On consciousness, I tend to go along with the idea that consciousness<br>
is mostly a story-generating system, rather than a causal system.<br>
i.e. unconscious processes are doing most of the work and the<br>
reasons we give for our decisions are often created after the fact,<br>
rather than being the actual drivers of the decision.<br>
But as I said, this is still an area of much dispute. :)<br>
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BillK<br>
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