<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 5:42 AM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Given her training and expertise in the area, as well as the fact that she <br>
probably had the support of colleagues, I think this is great!<br>
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As long as you harm no one else, I do not see why you should not have the <br>
right to experiment with your own body.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The problem comes with the unstated condition: "...and has a reasonable chance of success."</div><div><br></div><div>What of those who have no clue and are all but guaranteed only to harm themselves if they try, such that they would either become society's ward whose welfare other people must pay for, or unfit for normal work and left only able to prey upon others (in the criminal sense, not - necessarily - the cannibalistic) to survive? This is among the more coherent objections of those who warn against the masses being allowed to try such things on their own.</div><div><br></div><div>And in that sense, even this example was not truly on her own. Surely she discussed her plans with her colleagues (who were presumably trained and competent like her), both to review beforehand and to help monitor immediately after treatment, yes? If this was permitted without limitation, many - likely most - cases would not have that benefit.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Since I am not an expert in medicine, I would be very interested in <br>
knowing what kind of experiments, anyone at home could do, that would <br>
result in mutating viruses or other things, which might risk the lives of <br>
others?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_case">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_case</a> - aka "patient zero" - is the start: be the first host of an infectious disease. I think I recall a movie where the plot revolved around a bioterrorist who did just that, visiting as many airports as he could while his body held out (and then a time traveller from the resultant ravaged world going back to intercept said terrorist around or before the first airport). A better version would be to immunize oneself (and perhaps a small group one cared about) while still being a carrier.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance</a> describes another possibility: cure a disease just enough to repress symptoms but still incubate the microbes in one's system, which can lead to the survival of the few microbes resistant to whatever cure was administered, which are usually cleaned up by the immune system once the other microbes are dealt with, but in this scenario are unintentionally (or, for those with ill intent, intentionally) left in large enough quantities to overcome that.</div><div><br></div><div>And that's just stuff one can do in one's own body. <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+create+a+bioweapon">https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+create+a+bioweapon</a> has lots of results.</div></div></div>