<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 4:41 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
> Nonetheless, these situations come up a lot. Government, law, et al as they currently exist (in most countries, anyway) provides<br>
> solutions when this does. This is among the reasons why this form of governance has won out in practice over the libertarian ideal. <br>
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Crappy solutions, that hardly work for the common man.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Crappy compared to the ideal, but the others are even worse.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> The libertarian <br>
ideal has never been tried</blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman</a></div><div><br></div><div>Any example I bring up, you'd redefine "the libertarian ideal" to say it was somehow not that. For example:</div><div>* Grafton, New Jersey.</div><div>* Crystal, Minnesota.</div><div>* Colorado Springs, Colorado in 2010-2015.</div><div>* Prospera, Honduras.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm excluding the ones that never came to full power, such as the Free State Project and the Libertarian Party, since I think we can agree that if they weren't in power, they couldn't implement their ideals. But they were in power in each of the above examples.</div></div></div>