<div dir="auto"><div>Capital merely a hundred times more important than labor? If we measure in dollars, euros, and the like, we've been there for a while, and you can read most any non-local newspaper to find out how that's coming along. Granted, there are major questions about the truth of this valuation, but it is the most commonly accepted metric.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes, getting capital - becoming one of the rich - is beneficial (if nothing else, it takes a certain minimum to afford a cryonics contract if, as is likely the case, getting to where most people can be uploaded and/or have substantial life extension is going to take quite a few decades - longer than most of us otherwise have), but it isn't easy.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 4:26 AM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I'd reason that running one human mind equivalent at human-like speed inside of some kind of VR full of other entities running at the same speed is something that could be "free" for every human that wishes to be uploaded. It's got to be cheaper than feeding them. Thus the have nots will have a kind of ubi of computational status quo.<div><br></div><div>The haves would do one of a few things. They would either run multiple threads of consciousness, and merge them back into the core self after a period of time (i.e. I go learn Chinese in a thread, then come back and incorporate that knowledge into my core self), or divide and never recombine. Or just run one single thread way faster, and with more "neurons" so you become a super intelligence. Of course, you could be a multi-threaded super intelligence too, so there's always a place for "more".</div><div><br></div><div>As to how one affords such stuff, like always, by contributing something someone else wants.</div><div><br></div><div>My personal bet for the nearer term future is to have property (land) and function, in my case machinery that can turn ideas into concrete things. I specialize in wood things. I think that even if AI is running the world, they'll still need a CNC to turn wood into things people and robots want. This is different from a job. We've always thought of ourselves in terms of labor and capital, us being the labor. I think in the near future, it will be heavily skewed towards capital. And labor will take care of itself. So... what does a world look like when capital is a hundred times more important than labor? We're probably about to find out. I recommend getting some capital in your life of some kind.</div><div><br></div><div>-Kelly</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 1:17 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">So let's say that uploading brains works and as long as the system supporting you is OK you are OK.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"comic sans ms",sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,0)">But to use an old saying: there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. How will you pay for your upkeep a thousand years, ten thousand years, from uploading? Will there be a publish or perish requirement? Or some such? bill w</div></div>
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