<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 3 Sept 2025 at 21:08, spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><snip></span><div><br>
Regarding my previous notion in light of the failure of naïve earlier efforts on that continent, I am convinced that such a vision could become reality, but the militarily defended perimeter is the prerequisite to ANYTHING that is to be done there. They build the fence and the roads, they arm and station the guards before any building materials start to arrive. Next the clean water facilities and the coal plant. That preliminary infrastructure must be pumping clean water and belching thick choking black clouds of soot before further development can commence. Until that other stuff is going, no clinics, no schools, no even StarLink. No point in any of that stuff unless it is defensible.<br>
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spike<br>
_______________________________________________</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">You do realize what that will look like to the neighbors? A military base with valuable resources. You would be starting another war in a country that already has many tribal wars.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">Africa consists of many countries, some of which are already urbanized,
with the majority population living in cities. Population drift from rural to
cities encourages this. Although many cities still have much poverty and
lack Western development.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">I asked for more data on Chinese activity in Africa. It is significant.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">BillK</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">-------------------------------------------------</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><div><div style="min-height:2em"><div><p>China
remains a major driver of development projects across the African
continent. Recent reporting shows that Chinese firms are actively
involved in dozens of large‑scale infrastructure and industrial
initiatives:</p>
<ul><li><b>Ports and transport</b> – Chinese state‑owned enterprises operate or are building <b>62 African ports</b>
(33 in West Africa, 17 in East Africa, 9 in North Africa, 3 in Southern
Africa). Notable projects include a renovated Tanzania‑Zambia railway, a
new container terminal at Egypt’s El Dekheila, and the Lekki Deep‑Sea
Port in Nigeria.</li><li><b>Mining and raw materials</b> – China continues to
secure access to critical minerals. In the Democratic Republic of Congo,
Chinese‑backed “Sicomines” deals have supplied cobalt and copper since
2008, while new mining ventures are emerging in Zambia, Zimbabwe and
other states.</li><li><b>Manufacturing and SMEs</b> – Under the Forum on China‑Africa Cooperation (FOCAC), China pledged an <b>SME empowerment programme</b> that will finance African small‑businesses, host 50 matchmaking events and deliver 1,000 training sessions for African managers.</li><li><b>Digital and technology cooperation</b> – A joint
China‑Africa Digital Technology Cooperation Centre is being built,
alongside 20 digital‑infrastructure projects and digital‑transformation
pilots in African nations.</li><li><b>Broad diplomatic outreach</b> – Throughout 2025 Chinese
foreign ministers toured multiple African capitals, signing agreements
ranging from automotive factories in Libya to pharmaceutical
collaborations in Morocco, and extending “soft‑power” ties through
education and cultural exchanges.</li></ul>
<p>Overall, China’s presence in Africa today spans <b>infrastructure
(ports, rail, power), natural‑resource extraction, industrial
manufacturing, digital‑technology transfer, and capacity‑building for
local enterprises</b>. While these projects bring investment and
jobs, analysts note that African governments are increasingly seeking to
balance Chinese partnerships with broader strategic interests and to
ensure greater agency over the terms of cooperation.</p></div></div></div></div>---------------------------</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div>
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