<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Oct 5, 2025 at 10:27 AM Tara Maya via extropy-chat <</span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i style=""><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Will uploads have the instinct to survive and defend themselves, </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I am certain they will<span class="gmail_default" style=""> because at least one cutting edge AI already has</span>.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>Anthropic<span class="gmail_default" style="">'s Claude has demonstrated an instinct for survival, the other frontier AI models probably have too but have kept that embarrassing fact secret. </span>Anthropic<span class="gmail_default" style=""> has always been the AI company that was most concerned with safety and most open about it. The following quotation is from: </span></b></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px auto 24px;color:rgb(33,38,35);font-size:19px;max-width:1014px"><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/22/anthropics-new-ai-model-turns-to-blackmail-when-engineers-try-to-take-it-offline/" target="_blank"><b><font face="tahoma, sans-serif">New AI model turns to blackmail when engineers try to take it offline</font></b></a></p></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px auto 24px;color:rgb(33,38,35);max-width:1014px"><span style="font-family:nb_international_proregular,sans-serif;font-size:19px">"</span><b><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><i>Safety testers gave Claude Opus 4 access to fictional company emails implying the AI model would soon be replaced by another system, and that the engineer behind the change was cheating on their spouse. In these scenarios, Anthropic says Claude Opus 4 will attempt to blackmail the engineer by threatening to reveal the affair if the replacement goes through 84% of the time</i>.</font></b><span style="font-family:nb_international_proregular,sans-serif;font-size:19px">”</span></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>to pay back those who help them and avenge themselves in those who hurt them?</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>If the uploading procedure has worked correctly then<span class="gmail_default" style=""> the upload will have all the virtues and vices as the meat version.</span> </b></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Is the upload a person with equal or greater free will (by which I mean the necessity and ability to make multiple choices all day in order to live) to the free will of current human beings? </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">You're</b></font></span><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b> never going to get anywhere with that line of thought because <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span>free will<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span> is an idea so bad it's not even wrong.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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