<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Machines may become persons but machines will also be extensions of persons. So they will will be tools I use to do my job and obviously I will still have a job and so will you. Unless the machines are genocidal but that is no different than me losing my job because some enemy nation nuked my city. Unpleasant but new threat.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Only the tools have changed.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Tara</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 7, 2025, at 15:51, John Clark via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 3:07 PM <<a href="mailto:efc@disroot.org">efc@disroot.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">></span>I might have a desire to be served food by a human being</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You might have a desire to be served,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> but not many people have a desire to serve you if money can be obtained in some other way, like UBI.</span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><i> </i></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>to own a piece of art created by a human being,</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Does that seem like a sustainable business model to you?<span class="gmail_default" style=""> If I said "this painting (or sculpture or novel or music or movie) was created by a human being and a machine had nothing to do with it, how could you tell if I was lying? </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">John K Clark</span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> to<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>be guided by a human being, ad infinitum.<br>
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You might not, but I might, and I know many people who already today, <br>
pre-AI, prefer the human touch over a computer or todays rought "AI" <br>
guiding them.<br>
<br>
So if/when AI produces everything, the service sector, artisans, art, <br>
politics, sports, will shoot through the roof. Ergo, as long as human <br>
desires exists, there will be plenty of jobs for other humans to fulfill <br>
them.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Daniel<br>
<br>
<br>
> John K Clark<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
><br>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, John Clark via extropy-chat wrote:<br>
><br>
> > How do people around here feel about free trade? When I first joined this list in 1993 nearly every member was a<br>
> passionate advocate<br>
> > of free trade including me, but I get the impression that is no longer the case; certainly He Who Must Not Be Named is<br>
> about as far<br>
> > from being a free trade advocate as it's possible to be. Even the AI revolution hasn't caused me to change my opinion<br>
> about free<br>
> > trade but Universal Basic Income is a different matter; back then I would've argued that the idea was completely<br>
> impractical and I<br>
> > would have been correct, but even then I knew that eventually something like it would have to be implemented, however I<br>
> figured it<br>
> > was so far in the future I didn't need to think very deeply about it. But the time has come. <br>
> ><br>
> > Have the amazing developments in AI during the last five years caused anybody else to change any of their economic<br>
> opinions?<br>
> ><br>
> > John K Clark <br>
><br>
> Hello John,<br>
><br>
> No, certainly not me. Free trade good, UBI bad. As long as there will be<br>
> human desires, there will be jobs.<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
> Daniel<br>
> <br>
> <br>
></blockquote></div></div>
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