<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 5, 2025, 6:27 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This very long article discusses the history and development of AGI.<br>
Basically, asking the question "Is there any 'there' there?".<br>
Or is it mostly just hype?<br>
BillK<br>
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<<a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/10/30/1127057/agi-conspiracy-theory-artifcial-general-intelligence/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/10/30/1127057/agi-conspiracy-theory-artifcial-general-intelligence/</a>><br>
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How AGI became the most consequential conspiracy theory of our time<br>
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The idea that machines will be as smart as—or smarter than—humans has<br>
hijacked an entire industry. But look closely and you’ll see it’s a<br>
myth that persists for many of the same reasons conspiracies do.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you read this paper, which came out a few years ago, you will see and understand that AGI is already here:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712">https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
By Will Douglas Heaven October 30, 2025<br>
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Stripped back to its essentials, the argument for AGI rests on the<br>
premise that one technology, AI, has gotten very good, very fast, and<br>
will continue to get better. But set aside the technical<br>
objections—what if it doesn't continue to get better?—and you’re left<br>
with the claim that intelligence is a commodity you can get more of if<br>
you have the right data or compute or neural network. And it’s not.<br>
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Intelligence doesn’t come as a quantity you can just ratchet up and<br>
up. Smart people may be brilliant in one area and not in others. Some<br>
Nobel Prize winners are really bad at playing the piano or caring for<br>
their kids. Some very smart people insist that AGI is coming next<br>
year.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What we really mean when we say "general intelligence" is really just a large number of bundled competencies.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"Each practitioner thinks there’s one magic way to get a machine to be smart, and so they’re all wasting their time in a sense. On the other hand, each of them is improving some particular method, so maybe someday in the near future, or maybe it’s two generations away, someone else will come around and say, ‘Let’s put all these together,’ and then it will be smart."</div><div dir="auto">-- Marvin Minsky</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mastering language really was key, because most of accumulated human knowledge is represented in language. And also because every problem they requires intelligence can be framed as a particular pattern to be learned and predicted. And language is universal for encoding and representing those patterns.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div></div>