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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-1595059597868222529gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>>>…This idea has likely already been explored, but I don’t know about it. Do guide me to the standard practice. Has anyone here ideas for alternatives or other additions, varying schools of thought on Singularity terminology?</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-1595059597868222529gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-1595059597868222529gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>spike </span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brent Allsop via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] singularity terminology proposal: was RE: what if... the singularity isn't near?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>>…The 'singularity' to me, never occurs, within subjective or experiential time. In fact we are in the singularity now, relative to the age of the earth.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To me, it is important to focus on a particular event, to know when that event happens.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I like to talk about when the last person dies, or when we achieve immortality. Isn't that what is really important, even though once we achieve that, subjectively, we will still have a lot of problems, and be a long way from anything infinite. Brent<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ja Brent I get that. What I meant was to come to an agreement on a version of the Singularity where survivors would know AI somehow took over and was running things, our computers don’t work anymore but everyone is not dead. Some of us survive, stuff is still coming to grocery stores, the orders are coming from somewhere, and they seem to be accurate, people are still getting paid and so on, but the people who used to do all that find out the system does what it does regardless of their input, weapons don’t necessarily fire when the soldier pulls the trigger, some people are mysteriously missing, and so on. It is a scenario where we know something important happened and we know when it happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>We know that hasn’t happened yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:16.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-1595059597868222529gmaildefault><b><span 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