<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 8, 2025 at 1:05 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>How would you describe the difference between "determinism" and "superdeterminism?"</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><font size="4">Determinism simply says that the present is uniquely caused by the past, that's it. It says nothing about initial conditions. Superdeterminism makes the additional assumption <span class="gmail_default" style="">that</span> out of the <u style="">infinite </u>number of states the past could've been in, it was actually in the <u style="">one and only</u> state that invalidates the scientific method and always makes fools of anybody who tries to investigate the fundamental nature of reality. I can't prove that Superdeterminism is wrong but I do think the probability of it being correct approaches zero.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> I am unable to think of a greater violation of Occam's Razor than </span></font><span style="font-size:large">Superdeterminism<span class="gmail_default" style="">. </span></span></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></b></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><b style="">John K Clark </b></span><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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