<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 8:25 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 6:25 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br>
<<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> Regarding free will, you previously said there may be some true randomness in the universe.<br>
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> Do you think true randomness is required for free will, or are you a compatibilist (free will is can exist in a universe which has no randomness at all)?<br>
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> And finally, if you do believe in randomness, what form do you see it taking:<br>
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The paradox of defining "free will" like that is, once you define how<br>
it works, it is no longer what most people consider to be "free will"<br>
by definition.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My question is more about your understanding of randomness and whether or not it is necessary.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I happen to find many of these definitions of randomness workable or even probable, to be operating in this universe.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And those I don't agree with, incomplete quantum mechanics, or non algorithmic physics, are defended by Nobel prize winners.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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As such, attempts to define how it works have tended to be traps: pick<br>
something, anything, and get attacked for it.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm not trying to trap you. We both agree there are valid conceptions of free will, and even unpredictability with determinism.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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As such, I've picked up a distaste for getting into such discussions,<br>
such that I'm not sure I could state an honest opinion on that topic<br>
anymore.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That's too bad, but I understand why you might feel that way.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div></div>