<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 12:13 PM John Klos <</span><a href="mailto:john@ziaspace.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">john@ziaspace.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<font size="4"><span class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif" style="font-weight:bold"></font><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><i>> </i></font></span><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><i>Do you want a monoculture? Because that's how you get a monoculture ;)</i></font></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>To avoid a monoculture<span class="gmail_default"> is it necessary that competing book publishers use printing presses that are made by different manufacturers? </span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="georgia, serif"><i><font size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Even though lists in general are public, the idea that we<span class="gmail_default"> </span>should normalize having for-profit corporate entities have access to all data<span class="gmail_default"> </span>everywhere is just wrong and broken.</font><br></i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I am a militant<span class="gmail_default"> </span>capitalist<span class="gmail_default"> and I like </span>for-profit corporate entities<span class="gmail_default">, I like them a lot, they sure beat the hell out of no profit </span>corporate entities<span class="gmail_default">. And I especially like Google, I certainly don't think it or any of the high-tech companies as being one of the bad guys. At one time most members of this list felt the same way I did about that, but apparently not now. </span></b></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Google<span class="gmail_default"> </span>Groups functionality is limited in email clients that aren't basically web<span class="gmail_default"> </span>browsers</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I don't know where you got that idea<span class="gmail_default">. You can read the stuff off the web or on any computer that is capable of reading emails. And who has a computer that is incapable of reading emails or doesn't have a web browser? </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Their filters are unknowable. They do what they want and don't tell anyone what <br>
they do, so we have to guess.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I have seen no evidence for these mysterious <span class="gmail_default">"</span>filters<span class="gmail_default"> "</span> during the last five years<span class="gmail_default">, nothing has ever been censored on my list by me or Google or anybody else. </span></b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>But most importantly, if someone lodges complaints and Google decides to take<span class="gmail_default"> </span>action, what will you do?</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You're dreaming up hypotheticals that I have never seen in the last five years. <br></b></font><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>As the administrator of the servers hosting <a href="http://extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy.org</a> and this mailing list, <br>
you should know that in the last few months I've gotten quite a number of <br>
(probably mostly "AI" generated) complaints demanding that the site and lists <br>
be taken down. It seems to be a concerted campaign to hurt the community. My <br>
guess is because of "trans" being part of the word "transhuman", but I don't <br>
know for sure because the complaints have no actual content (no examples of <br>
wrongdoing or specific claims). Some say that the site and lists are <br>
"anti-family" and "harmful to children", but offer no examples.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>They sound like harmless imbeciles to me<span class="gmail_default">, and I'm sure people at Google get even more ridiculous threats than you do, but those letters written by nincompoops haven't affected the way you administer this list. and it hasn't affected the good people at Google </span><span class="gmail_default">either.</span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Also, Google isn't as reliable as you might guess. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>Maybe things have improved but I know for a fact that over the last five years Google groups has been one hell of a lot more reliable than this list had been from 1993 to 2021.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><font size="4">John K Clark See what's on my new list at </font><font size="6"><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Extropolis</a></font></font></b></div></div><div class="gmail_default"><b style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></b></div><font size="1" color="#ffffff">12d</font><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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