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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/11/2025 03:22, Adrian Tymes
wrote:<br>
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class="moz-quote-pre">On Fri, Nov 14, 2025 at 11:16 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat
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href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org></a> wrote:
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class="moz-quote-pre">On 14/11/2025 15:21, John K Clark wrote:
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class="moz-quote-pre">By the way, why don't you let Google Groups host this list?
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">Please, please, please, don't do that.
I'd hate to lose this list.
--
Ben (someone who Doesn't Do Google, for a number of reasons)
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="" class="moz-quote-pre">I think they could use with an explanation of your concerns on this
issue, if you please. Both from your personal subscribe/unsubscribe
basis, and - if you have them - worries about Google cancelling or
otherwise affecting the list if it was to be hosted there.</pre></pre>
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I think John Klos and ExiMod have done a better job than I could of
describing at least enough of my concerns to justify my plea.<br>
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I would add that Google is simply too big and powerful, and seems to
be getting moreso all the time. For an unaccountable private
company, that is simply unacceptable, for obvious reasons, and I
don't see how anyone can sensibly disagree with that. I'm dreading
the day when I'm literally forced to get a Google account in order
to just live my life. Which suggests a quick poll: How many people
reading this DON'T have a Google account? I'd be surprised if it's
more than just a handful, and maybe just two or three. Considering
that this list tends to attract people who can probably be described
as independent-minded, that, if it's true, should cause concern
(admittedly, I'm guessing here, but I think it's probably a good
guess. I'm fairly sure that I'm the only person I know in real life
that doesn't have one). Contrast this with the browsers that we use,
or the operating system/s we favour. Or more relevantly, the other
services we are signed up to. I'm sure there won't be anywhere near
the same degree of uniformity.<br>
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When I said "I'd hate to lose this list", I wasn't referring to
Google shutting the list down, I was referring to the fact that if
it moved to Google, I wouldn't be able to take part in it any more.
The same reason I sometimes read, but never post to, the Extropolis
list.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Ben</pre>
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