<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Nov 15, 2025 at 10:30 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I see some people don't value discussing this topic of free will.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>The trouble I have<span class="gmail_default" style=""> with discussing it is I don't know what "free will" is supposed to mean, so I don't know if I believe in it or not. </span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I think it is important, and has a lot to do with morality.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>How do you figure that?<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i style=""><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>I'm in the <a href="https://canonizer.com/topic/128-Determinism-vs-Freedom/2-Compatible?is_tree_open=1" target="_blank" style="">"Compatible"</a> camp, and believe that randomness destroys free will.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I'm in the<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span> free will is such a bad idea it's not even wrong<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span> camp<span class="gmail_default" style="">.</span></b></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>John K Clark</b></font></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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