<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 9:07 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Even if all of this is true, wait until that computer actually<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>comes out. This isn't Roko's Basilisk;<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>this computer can't affect things before it exists. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Actually it can. There will come a time when quantum computers have made a lot of progress very rapidly but they're still not big enough to run Shor’s algorithm<span class="gmail_default" style="">;</span> however,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>an increasingly large number of people realize that they soon will be, and then there's going to be a wave of panic selling. Sure you could theoretically make a lot of money if you waited to sell your bitcoin's until the day before the onset of the panic, but your timing would need to be perfect. You'<span class="gmail_default" style="">d</span> be playing Russian roulette with your money.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><b>John K Clark</b></span><br></font><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On Sun, Nov 16, 2025 at 8:14 AM John Clark via extropy-chat<br>
<<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Quantum computer expert Scott Aaronson has always been a vocal critic of the excessive hype surrounding his subject, but just a few days ago he wrote this:<br>
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> "I now think it’s a live possibility that we’ll have a fault-tolerant quantum computer running Shor’s algorithm before the next US presidential election. And I say that not only because of the possibility of the next US presidential election getting cancelled, or preempted by runaway superintelligence!"<br>
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> When we have a quantum computer big enough to run Shor's algorithm, bitcoin becomes worthless. Aaronson then says this:<br>
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> "The two biggest known application areas for QC remain (a) quantum simulation and (b) the breaking of public-key cryptography, just as they were thirty years ago."<br>
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> Quantum Computing, too much to handle<br>
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> John K Clark<br>
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