<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 9:02 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">> t</span>he<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>negatives have been expressed by Eliezer. The positives have been<br>
discussed on this list since 1993. My take is that it will happen<br>
regardless, so we take our chances with the bad outcomes and get the<br>
good sooner. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4"><b>That is also my opinion.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span> </b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>Of course, I could be utterly wrong.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yeah, all we c<span class="gmail_default" style="">an</span> do is play the odds and hope for the best.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>
><span class="gmail_default" style="">></span> I think our chances of coming out of the other side of the Singularity meat grinder in one piece will be slightly greater if the US not China builds the progenitor of MR. Jupiter Brain. Somebody somewhere is certain to build it, it's only a matter of time.</b></font></blockquote><br><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>While I agree with you, I don't think it will make a lot of difference<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>which culture builds AIs. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>The difference might be small but<span class="gmail_default" style=""></span> I'm almost certain<span class="gmail_default" style=""> our chances of survival would NOT be better if China wins the AI race. </span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br></b></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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> This would be a very good time to start a war with Venezuela, it would distract voters from the Epstein files. Speaking of that, just a few hours ago, after vigorously lobbying members of Congress for months to keep that file closed, the convicted felon suddenly reversed course by 180 degrees and now says Congress should vote to release the files. I think Jeffrey Epstein's best friend knew that despite his best efforts his lobbying effort had failed and that information was going to be made public, so he wanted to make it seem like it was his idea to do so.<br>
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