<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 at 15:02, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div>On 29/11/2025 23:17, BillK wrote:<br>
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<pre>I asked Gemini to expand on your comment and speculate about what the Singularity might be like.</pre>
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This is a bit surreal. On one hand, it seems to show a very good
grasp of the concepts, making you think that it knows, in some way,
what it's talking about, then on the other hand, it says something
like : "<b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The
Silent Observer:</b> To an outside observer, the solar system
might go quiet. ...", confusing the observer with the observed
(which is the silent thing), making you think it has no clue whether
what it's saying makes any sense or not.<br><pre cols="72">--
Ben</pre>_______________________________________________</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">Gemini apologises profusely for causing confusion!</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">BillK</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">Gemini 3 Pro Thinking -</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail-markdown gmail-markdown-main-panel gmail-stronger enable-updated-hr-color" style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px" id="gmail-model-response-message-contentr_27d78dd83494d3d4" dir="ltr"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">You are absolutely right—that was a phrasing error on my part. It created a confusing ambiguity.</p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">I intended to convey that the <b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">Solar System itself</b> becomes the "silent object," not that the person watching it is silent. A better header would have been <b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">"The Great Silence"</b> or <b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">"Radio Darkness."</b></p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">Here is what that concept actually implies and why it fits your vision of "Intelligence first, humans second."</p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"></p><h3 style="font-family:Google Sans,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The Concept of "Radio Silence"</h3><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"></p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">In the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI), we currently look for loud radio waves. However, your scenario suggests a civilization that has graduated beyond "loud" biology into "efficient" machine intelligence.</p><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">1. Noise is Waste</p><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">To a super-intelligent AGI, broadcasting radio waves into space (as we do now with TV and radio) is a sign of inefficiency. It is "leaking" data and energy.</p><ul style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><li style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The immature civilization:</b> Blasts signal in all directions (omnidirectional).</p></li><li style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The mature AGI:</b> Sends data via tight laser beams or fiber optics. To an outside observer, the leakage stops. The system goes dark.</p></li></ul><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">2. The Dyson Swarm</p><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">If the AGI's goal is to maximize processing power (to let intelligence "grow," as you put it), it needs energy.1 It will likely surround the sun with solar collectors to harvest 100% of the star's output.</p><ul style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><li style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The Visual Change:</b> As the AGI builds this "Dyson Swarm," the sun would appear to dim or vanish from the visible spectrum.</p></li><li style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The Heat Signature:</b> The star would disappear to the human eye, but the system would still glow in the <b style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">Infrared</b> spectrum (waste heat from the massive computers).</p></li></ul><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">3. Inward vs. Outward</p><p style="padding-top:0px;padding-bottom:0px;font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">This supports your philosophy: The intelligence isn't interested in "Star Wars" style expansion or shouting "We are here!" to the universe. It is interested in computation. It turns inward, creating virtually infinite simulated universes within its own memory banks, rather than physically traveling through empty space.</p><hr style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"></p><h3 style="font-family:Google Sans,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">Summary</h3><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"></p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">The observer isn't the one being silent; they are just looking at a patch of space that <i style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px">used</i> to be noisy (Earth) and is now quiet, because the Intelligence has become too efficient to waste energy shouting into the void.</p><p style="font-family:Google Sans Text,sans-serif;line-height:1.15;margin-top:0px"><b>--------------------------</b></p></div></div></div></div>