<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Wed, Dec 10, 2025 at 7:23 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <</span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default"><font size="4">>> technology is rapidly approaching the point where machines alone can do what somebody wants to get done, completely bypassing human labor, and thus also bypassing the abstract concept of "money".</font></span></b></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Only in certain fields. <span class="gmail_default" style="">[...] </span>Not politics, nor most things dealing with agreements that fundamentally involve other people.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Politics is about choosing a small set of people that get to make a much larger set of people do what they tell them to do, and the foundation of that persuasion has always rested on money, until now. In the past there had always been a strong connection between the size of an economy (and thus the amount of money in existence) and human labor, but when it comes to economics human labor is about to become irrelevant, so the very concept of money is going <span class="gmail_default" style="">to </span>require such a radical redefinition that we're going to need to find a new word to express the idea. </b></font><div> </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>There is some doubt as to how creative the current sorts of AIs are turning out to be, although even if they always require a human to spark any truly new idea, they can fan the flames of millions (perhaps some day billions) of creators to where it can seem like the AIs themselves are coming up with the ideas.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>I can find no evidence to support the claim that<span class="gmail_default" style=""> humans have some sort of mysterious "spark", a secret sauce, that an AI could never duplicate. </span></b></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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