<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 8:19 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I'm not talking about anything as trivial as campaign financing</b></font></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Insofar as you claim that the foundation of persuading people politically is money, you are, by definition of "campaign financin</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>Campaign financing is just a tiny trivial part<span class="gmail_default" style=""> of the monumental changes we can expect from the impending economic revolution. </span> </b></font></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div class="gmail-gs" style="margin:0px;min-width:0px;padding:0px 0px 20px;width:auto"><div class="gmail-" style=""><div id="gmail-:xk" class="gmail-ii gmail-gt gmail-adO" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="gmail-:xl" class="gmail-a3s gmail-aiL" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;line-height:1.5;overflow:auto hidden"><div id="gmail-avWBGd-438" style=""><div dir="auto" style=""><span class="gmail-im" style="color:inherit"><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>For at least the last 3 years AIs have done things that if a human had done them virtually everybody would say demonstrated creativity.</b></font></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br><font size="4" style="" face="georgia, serif"><i style=""><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>But compare tests of those activities to contemporary human experts.  The AIs consistently lag behind on creativity.</i></font></blockquote></span><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div dir="auto" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>On objective tests<span class="gmail_default" style=""> like medical diagnosis and the ability to write computer code AIs can now consistently beat the best human experts. They may not be able to write poetry, draw pictures, or compose music better than Shakespeare, Michelangelo or Mozart could, but they can certainly do those things one hell of a lot better than I can, and probably better than you can too.  </span></b></font></div><div dir="auto" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark </span></b></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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