<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 9, 2026 at 8:42 AM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><i style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Removing all subsidies would re-establish cost controls in medicine. </font></i></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>In most cases<span class="gmail_default" style=""> if something is too expensive you simply don't buy it, or you look around for a place where you can buy it for less, but that doesn't work when it comes to healthcare, especially if you're weak as tea and feeling like shit. How on earth does "<i>pay me what I demand for this life-saving drug and/or service  or die</i>" control costs in healthcare?! </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">Per capita the US spends $14,885 per capita on healthcare each year and has a life expectancy of 79.6 years, Albania </span></b><b style=""><span class="gmail_default">spends $414 per capita on healthcare each year and </span></b><b style=""><span class="gmail_default">has a life expectancy of 80 years. S</span></b><b style="">pike, you certainly haven't had time to study those 3 lists that I posted<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span> but I'd really like it if you would and then tell me what solution you have that would get the US out of such an <u style="">absurd situation</u>. You Know Who claimed to have such a solution as far back as 2017, but nobody has ever seen it and I don't believe anybody ever will. </b></font></div><div><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></b></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>J<span class="gmail_default" style="">ohn K Clark</span></b></font></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-88868275158028770"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_-88868275158028770WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>…</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Clark via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] My prediction<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 12:20 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">> </span></i></span><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif">I admit that I find it strange the Democrats were protesting on health<span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault"> </span>care. It has been pointed out that these were pitched as temporary<span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault"> </span>subsidies,</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">>…Democrats were protesting the fact that per capita <span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault">the USA </span>spends far FAR <u>FAR</u> more on healthcare than any other country in the world<span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault">,</span> BUT they are nowhere near the healthiest<span class="m_-88868275158028770gmaildefault"><u></u><u></u></span></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-top:0in"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">…<u></u><u></u></span></p><table border="0" cellpadding="0"><thead><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Country</span></strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Life Expectancy (2025/26 Est.)</span></strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Health Spending per Capita (Nominal)</span></strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Efficiency Note</span></strong><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr></thead><tbody><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">United States</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~79.6 Years<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~$14,885<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The Baseline</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Albania</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~80.0 Years<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~$414</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Absolute lowest spender that beats the U.S.<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Costa Rica</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~81.2 Years<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~$979</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Most famous "efficiency leader" (OECD member).<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Panama</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~80.0 Years<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~$1,472<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">High efficiency in Central America.<u></u><u></u></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Chile</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~81.5 Years<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">~$1,547<u></u><u></u></span></p></td><td style="border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0.75pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Highest life expectancy in South America.<u></u><u></u></span></p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