<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 26, 2026 at 8:42 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span class="gmail-im"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>>  </span>Bremermann’s Limit tells you how <span class="gmail_default">many bits</span><span class="gmail_default"> </span><span class="gmail_default">per second </span>a given mass<span class="gmail_default"> of matter </span>can process information before it collapses into a <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">B</span>lack <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">H</span>ole<span class="gmail_default">. The formula is:<br></span></b></font><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-weight:bold">C^2/h = 1.35*10^50 bits per second per kilogram. </span></font></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't see what Bremmermann's limit has to do with black holes. </i></font></blockquote><div> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You can't go faster than the speed of light, so if you want your microchip to process a bit of information faster <span class="gmail_default" style="">then </span>you're going to need to make the parts of the chip closer together. And you're going to need to make the wavelength of the light that you use for communication between the parts of the chip<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>smaller. And the smaller the wavelength <span class="gmail_default" style="">that</span> light <span class="gmail_default" style="">is </span>the more energy it has. And E=MC^2. <span class="gmail_default" style="">If you keep trying to make the chip go faster then e</span>ventually the distance becomes so small and the energy becomes so large that a <span class="gmail_default" style="">B</span>lack <span class="gmail_default" style="">H</span>ole forms.  </b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>John K Clark</b></font></div><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>If you try to go beyond Bremermann's Limit the energy/mass density would become so high that your computer would collapse into a Black Hole, and then information could go in but it couldn't get out so the machine wouldn't be of much use. </b></font></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote></div></d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