<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 1:33 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Jan 27, 2026 at 11:54 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br>
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> On Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 9:50 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> On Tue, Jan 27, 2026 at 8:32 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Is it not an equivalent evil to build a Dyson swarm around an alien star and preclude any chance of life from emerging on any planet in that system?<br>
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>> I don't think so, I feel that converting dumb matter into smart matter is the very opposite of evil, but that's just my opinion.<br>
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> Fortunately for us our star was not converted a time when the solar system was dead.<br>
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By that line of thought, any action at all - including inaction - is<br>
of the utmost evil, for any choice whatsoever inherently excludes<br>
countless other possibilities.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Before valuing possibilities you should define your value system. True, every choice excludes some possibilities, but we tend to value some of those possibilities more than others. This is why I stipulated a life bearing world as better than a dead world. If we don't agree on this, then you are correct the rest of the argument collapses and it makes no difference what anyone does. But I don't find nihilism very practical.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Let us assume the multi-world hypothesis from quantum mechanics, for<br>
ease of framing. Literally everything you do dooms our universe to<br>
not be any of the other universes that branch off from that decision<br>
point - and is therefore, by your logic, evil in equal measure to the<br>
nigh-infinite (or maybe literally infinite) combined potential in<br>
those other universes that ours will never experience.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But that same multiverse theory says all possibilities are realized (though with different measure). This is why we can justify putting our seatbelt, even in a multiverse.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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If everything you could do, including nothing, is infinitely evil,<br>
then that measure of evil is rendered meaningless. There would be<br>
nothing that is more evil or less evil: they'd all be infinitely evil.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Only if you think a living world is no better than a dead one. But then, why get up in the morning?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div></div>