<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 27, 2026, 9:50 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Jan 27, 2026 at 8:32 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>I believe that even for a superintelligence<span class="gmail_default"> there would be no disputing matters of taste. </span>And you are the one that claims to know<span class="gmail_default"> how post Singularity Jupiter Brains would behave, you claim they would all behave just like you would, every single one of them. B</span></b></font><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default">ut I do not claim to know that they would all behave in one certain way, and I certainly don't claim </span></b><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default">they would all behave just as I would, but if just one of them did then the galaxy would look engineered. But it doesn't. Without tying myself into logical knots I can only think of one explanation for that </span></b></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I made no claims they would agree with me or agree with you. I only suggest there are reasons we can expect them to converge on whatever the right answer is, and hence, all agree with one another.</i></font></blockquote><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>There is no <span class="gmail_default">"</span>right answer<span class="gmail_default">"</span> to the question <span class="gmail_default">"D</span>o <span class="gmail_default">y</span>ou want to build a Dyson sphere<span class="gmail_default">?", there are only opinions, and as I said there is no disputing matters of taste. </span></b></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">if Dyson swarms were art pieces I would be inclined to agree that the choice to build one is a matter of taste, but Dyson swarms are generally assumed to serve some utilitarian purpose -- one whose benefits outweigh their costs.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The benefit over cost calculation in terms of its computations returned per unit of energy invested, may not be the best of all technologies a super intelligence might consider. As I've already shown, you can get a higher return on computations using a black hole heatsink.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You wouldn't consider the choice between hunting whales for lamp oil vs. building a thorium reactor a matter of taste, would you?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>We see the aliens from the movie independence day as evil for trying to wipe out life on Earth. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>A real stinker of a movie, I wish you'd picked a better example.<span class="gmail_default"> </span> </b></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What example would you have used?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Is it not an equivalent evil to build a Dyson swarm around an alien star and preclude any chance of life from emerging on any planet in that system?</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I don't think so, I feel that converting dumb matter into smart matter is the very opposite of evil,<span class="gmail_default"> but that's just my opinion. </span></b></font> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Fortunately for us our star was not converted a time when the solar system was dead.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't know what a post singular mind would consider right or wrong on that matter. I only know the answer is not as obvious as you make it out to be.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You're the one who claims the answer is so obvious everyone will agree with you<span class="gmail_default">, even Mr. Jupiter Brain.</span></b></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Bold of you to say that when my quote above refutes it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default">John K Clark </span> </b></font></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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