<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 10:27 AM Jason Resch <<a href="mailto:jasonresch@gmail.com">jasonresch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 8:27 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 9:21 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>What's surprising to me is that<span class="gmail_default"> an AI that was only trained on words can converge on ANYTHING, let alone to something congruent to the real world. If we had access to an extra terrestrial's library that was huge but contained no pictures, just 26 different types of squiggles arranged into many trillions of words, I don't see how we could ever make any sense out of it, I don't see how we could ever write a new sentence in ET's language that was not only grammatically correct but also expressed an idea that was true and non-trivial</span><span class="gmail_default">; but somehow an AI could. Don't ask me how.</span></b></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><span class="gmail_default">> </span>An ideal compression of Wikipedia would require not only understanding all the grammar of our languages, but also how our minds think, and what our world looks like and how it behaves.<span class="gmail_default"> </span>Our base 10 numerical representation system would quickly fall to such compression, given all the numbered lists that so commonly appear across the site.</font></i></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>In general it's impossible to prove<span class="gmail_default"> that you're using the ideal compression algorithm on your data, </span>for all you know there might be a way<span class="gmail_default"> to compress it even more.</span></b></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Not impossible, just computationally infeasible.</div><div dir="auto">For example, we can brute force determine whether we've found the shortest compression of a 40-bit string by iterating over all 2^40 strings of shorter length, then choosing the shortest.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Correction: You were right on this. I had forgotten to consider that some of those shorter strings are programs that may or may not halt, and since we can't know if they might one day print out the target string one day and halt, we can't rule them out as possibly shorter compressions of the 40-bit string in question. This makes it uncomputable even if we can iterate over every possible program of a finite length.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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