<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Feb 14, 2026 at 9:29 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <</span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>>> </span>Both reflect the physical world. Directness or indirectness I don't see as relevant. Throughout your brain there are many levels of transformation of inputs.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>> </span>But most of those transformations make sense only in light<span class="gmail_default"> of other things that the brain knows, chief among them being an intuitive understanding of everyday physics. Nevertheless as it turns out, that fact doesn't matter. Perhaps I shouldn't have been but that surprised me. </span> </b></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't think much knowledge of physics is pre-wired.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I agree,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> most physical intuition is the result of direct contact with the outside world with no intermediary between. Human teachers were able to help me learn to read English because they had brains similar to mine and they, like me, had direct contact with the outside world; for example: they showed me this sequence of squiggles "tree" and then they pointed to a tall thing with green stuff on top, and I got the idea. But how did an AI that has never known anything except squiggles manage to make that same connection? I don't know but somehow it did. </span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>The informational complexity of an adult human brain is approximately a million times that of the informational complexity of the genome.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yes,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> and that's why I always thought the argument </span><span class="gmail_default" style="">that true AI would never be possible because it would need to be so ridiculously complex we could never understand it, was bogus. The amount of information required to make a seed AI is actually quite small. </span></b></font></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>what's important to take away from the Chess example is that an understanding of how things interact can be extracted *merely from textual examples and descriptions* of those things interacting.</i></font></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">Even i</b></font></span><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>f the<span class="gmail_default" style=""> fundamental </span>laws of physics were radically<span class="gmail_default" style=""> different it would not change chess anymore than it would change the fact that there are an infinite number of prime numbers, but the vast majority of things that we believe are the most important would change. </span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><b style="">John K Clark</b></span><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Humans have found lots of text written in "Linear A" that was used by the inhabitants of Crete about 4000 years ago<span class="gmail_default">,</span> and the even older writing system used by the Indus Valley Civilization, <span class="gmail_default">but</span> <span class="gmail_default">m</span>odern scholars have been unable to decipher either of <span class="gmail_default">them</span> even though<span class="gmail_default">, unlike the AI,</span> they were written by members of their own species<span class="gmail_default">. A</span>nd the last person who could read ancient Etruscan was the Roman emperor Claudius.<span class="gmail_default"> The trouble is those civilizations are a complete blank, we have nothing to go on, today we don't even know</span> what spoken<span class="gmail_default"> </span>language family those civilizations used. </b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Egyptian hieroglyphics would have also remained undeciphered except that we got a lucky break, we found the Rosetta Stone which contained the same speech written in both hieroglyphics and an early form of Greek which scholars could already read. Somehow AI has found their own "Rosetta Stone", I just wish I knew what it was. </b></font></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div>
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