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<pre wrap=""><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font face="georgia, serif">Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br> <span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">> </span><font size="4"><i>Does Colour 'really' exist, in a Platonic sense?</i></font></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yes, because if there's one thing that we <span>(or at least I) can</span> be absolutely certain <span>of</span> <span>its</span> that<span> </span>subjectivity exists<span></span>,<span> </span>and<span> the experience of color is part of that. Thus, <u>IF</u> there is a fundamental reality (and not an infinity of layers) <u>THEN</u> color is part of it. </span> </b></font></div></pre></blockquote><div style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br><span style="font-size: 18pt; line-height: normal;">Ok, I undertand what you're saying, but that isn't what I mean by 'in a Platonic sense'.<br><br>If colour-experiencing conscious minds didn't exist, then colour wouldn't be a part of reality. The Platonic view is that it still would, that the existence of colour in some 'ideal realm' is independent of the existence, and experience of, minds.<br>(which raises some interesting and uncomfortable issues for Platonism!)<br></span><br></div><pre cols="72">---<br>Ben</pre>
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