<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 2:11 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div class="msg4281728801561639764"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_4281728801561639764WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> </span></p></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4281728801561639764"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_4281728801561639764WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don’t feel like we have that much better insights into the singularity than the faceless masses.</i></font></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I think I do,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> that's why I don't get all bent out of shape over trivialities like global warming, the war on Christmas, illegal immigration, men in women's sports, or the national debt. </span> </b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4281728801561639764"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_4281728801561639764WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I like having any prediction as clearly definable, so that we can make bets on it. One such example would be when will the singularity occur. </i></font></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>A logical person would never make such a bet<span class="gmail_default" style=""> because it's a lose-lose proposition. If I bet the Singularity will happen by date X and it doesn't happen then I have to pay up, but if it does happen then I'll either be dead because of it or I'll be so rich because of it I won't need your measly few dollars.</span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br></b></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4281728801561639764"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_4281728801561639764WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">But… we don’t really know when to mark that date. One could reasonably argue that the singularity doesn’t happen in one day or even necessarily one year, but it will happen. If so, we can reasonably argue that it is happening now, and started in about November 2022 when ChatGPT showed up without warning. Then all the stuff we are struggling with now is completely foreseeable: AI in weapons, AI enabling illegal mass surveillance, etc. But we still can’t really determine when it started and when to mark the ending (assuming the singularity doesn’t end with the complete destruction of mankind.)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It isn’t clear to me we have much to show for over three decades of pondering the singularity.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">spike<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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