<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 4, 2026, 12:07 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] Google Just Achieved Mathematical AGI<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 4, 2026, 4:08 AM Keith Henson via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal">… The working assumption is that he died; the alternative is<br>that he is not human because he is estimated to own between 750,000<br>and 1,100,000 Bitcoins, which were easy to mine in the early days. <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…Or he burned them.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">>…If I recall correctly, there were news reports that the CIA investigated and determined who Satoshi was during the Obama administration. They determined the creator was not ill intentioned and so left him alone. So it is not a complete mystery and perhaps it will be declassified some day.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jason <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jason I have long suspected that Satoshi is a composite character or collective pseudonym which likely included our own Hal Finney. </span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes it seems unlikely any one person had the total expertise to complete the project in isolation. It required understanding of complex incentive systems involving many players.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hal was certainly closely involved with the creator, being the first to publicly receive bitcoins in the first transaction. But as talented as Hal is he doesn't fit as the Satoshi who was active on the message boards, who used Canadian-english spellings.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> In that Mersenne group which split off from here, existing from about 1999 to 2003, we discussed Dr. Irving Matrix and Nicolas Bourbaki, treating them as real people, even though they are composites. </span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I never heard of that group or those people. Who was behind them?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Although I only met Hal face to face once, he was a very special person, an extremely rare combination of smart and kindhearted.</span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That is what I have heard. I had only minimal interaction with him through the everything list in 2007-2008, but he was always kind and incredibly brilliant.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>Here is an example I found that is rater appropriate for today: Hal speculating about the consciousness of a hypothetical future AI that was able to read and digest language materials and then comment on what it has justread -- a future we now live in:</div><div><a href="https://groups.google.com/g/everything-list/c/0WF8Qvh5fqw/m/hwWmE4oiTcoJ">https://groups.google.com/g/everything-list/c/0WF8Qvh5fqw/m/hwWmE4oiTcoJ</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jason</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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