<div dir="auto">It's still confused regarding the reference.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This reference is about the first time an insect brain has been emulated within a virtual environment and found to replicate various behaviors like running, self cleaning, and seeking food.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The AI still seems to think this is about deriving the connectome (which is just a file) rather than emulating the connectome (which requires computing their behavior), which has been done, and it as a prerequisite to get here. But it's not the subject of the medium article.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2026, 1:42 PM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 at 17:01, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Dros. /larva/ connectome??<br>
Where did it get that from? We're talking about an adult connectome.<br>
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These are going to be very different things, I'd expect (seeing as the larva's structure is completely broken down and rebuilt during pupation, and the larval and adult forms have different sensory and motor equipment, their brains pretty much /have to/ be different).<br>
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If this is a 'hallucination', and the article you provided is about the adult fly brain, this just reinforces my tendency to be highly skeptical of anything these LLMs say.<br>
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Ben<br>______________________________________________<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">I told Gemini that the video referenced was wrong. Gemini thought about it for 5 minutes (a long time or an AI!), then found the correct link and revised the analysis. No significant changes, though. </div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">BillK</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">Gemini AI 3.1 Pro Thinking - </div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><p>Apologies for the error in the previous link. You are correct—the video I referenced was not the intended one.</p><p>The correct research regarding the <b>Drosophila larva connectome</b> (published in <i>Science</i> by Marta Zlatic and colleagues) is indeed the first time an entire insect brain has been mapped at the synaptic level. This breakthrough directly addresses the functionalist debate.</p><h3>Discussion of Implications for the Three Objections:</h3><p>Based on the actual findings of the 3,016-neuron and 548,000-synapse map, here is a refined look at the implications:</p><p><b>1. Emulations of brains aren't possible</b></p><ul><li><p><b>Status:</b> <b>Strongly Challenged.</b> * <b>Discussion:</b> Previously, this objection relied on the "complexity gap"—the idea that biological brains involve non-computable processes or too many variables (like neurochemistry) to digitize. However, this project successfully mapped the "first complete wiring map". By moving from the nematode (<i>C. elegans</i>, ~300 neurons) to the fruit fly larva (~3,000 neurons), researchers have proven that the engineering is scalable. It shifts the debate from "Is it possible?" to "How long until we reach 86 billion neurons?"</p></li></ul><p><b>2. Emulations of brains aren't conscious</b></p><ul><li><p><b>Status:</b> <b>Unfalsifiable / Weakened.</b></p></li><li><p><b>Discussion:</b> The map shows exactly how the brain converts sensory signals (smell, light) into complex behaviors (feeding, escaping). If a digital copy exhibits identical "purposive" behavior—fleeing from "pain" or seeking "food"—the functionalist argues there is no empirical reason to deny it a corresponding internal state. Critics must now point to a specific "missing" biological component that doesn't show up in behavior, which becomes increasingly difficult as the behavioral repertoire of the emulation expands.</p></li></ul><p><b>3. Emulations of brains are differently conscious</b></p><ul><li><p><b>Status:</b> <b>Supported / Reinforced.</b></p></li><li><p><b>Discussion:</b> The research found that the fly brain uses "nested structures" and "recurrent neural networks" (feedback loops) that are remarkably similar to high-powered Artificial Intelligence. However, the digital version runs on discrete silicon cycles rather than continuous biological chemistry. This suggests that while the "logic" of consciousness might be the same, the <i>subjective experience</i> (the "texture" of its thoughts or its perception of time) would likely be fundamentally different from its biological counterpart because the underlying hardware dictates the "refresh rate" of its reality.</p></li></ul><h3>Recommended Video</h3><p><b><span><span><a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQuNLWKSZMQ" target="_blank">Wiring map reveals how larval fruit fly brain converts sensory signals to movement</a></span></span></b></p><p>This video discusses the details of the <i>Science</i> paper, explaining how the 3,016 neurons were mapped and how this "connectome" allows researchers to predict signal flow for complex behaviors.</p><p>----------------------------------</p><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div>
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