<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 15, 2026, 12:49 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Sun, Mar 15, 2026 at 10:15 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br>
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> On Sun, Mar 15, 2026, 10:05 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> That verification doesn't work.<br>
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> Not generally, but it can be made to work. For example, by locking down the version used, and having the "heat" setting use a pseudorandom RNG that is predetermined or seeded on the input prompt.<br>
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> Ideally the model used would be open source and trained using a public protocol that anyone could replicate and verify. People could download the model and verify the transcripts the leader published on their own computers running locally.<br>
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LLMs are complex enough that, even with the controls as you say, it<br>
seems likely that two people - or even the same person - running the<br>
exact same non-trivial query two times would often enough get<br>
non-identical answers.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems that way, but LLMs are themselves fully deterministic. So long as the exact same input and context are provided, their output is the same. In practice, however, the tokens a LLM deterministically predicts as most likely are then randomly selected by a higher level process to make the writing more dynamic. This is driven by the "heat" parameter. But by using a pseudorandom selection with the same seed, identical output can be ensured.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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