<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 12:40 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I expect that destructive uploading will be achieved long before non-destructive.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>It's virtually certain that<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>destructive uploading will be achieved before non-destructive<span class="gmail_default" style=""> uploading, but I agree with Keith that we have no way of estimating how long before. And that's why it's called a Singularity.</span></b></font></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">></span> robotic bodies and brains will be developed before non-destructive uploading,</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style=""><span class="gmail_default" style="">Yes, t</span>hat too is almost certain.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span> <font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>It will be a lot easier to load your consciousness into a synthetic brain than into a biological one, synthetic bodies, once perfected, are almost certainly going to be superior to biological ones in just about every way, so going back to biology after uploading would seem to be a huge step backwards.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Agreed.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I'm also wondering how long it will be before opposition to uploading based on the idea of uploads being 'a danger to real people' or some such notion, will start to arise.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>By the time we get to th<span class="gmail_default" style="">e</span> point<span class="gmail_default" style=""> where uploading becomes common</span> I don't think the opinion<span class="gmail_default" style="">s</span> of <span class="gmail_default" style="">"</span>real people<span class="gmail_default" style="">" are going to matter much, MR. Jupiter Brain will be the one in charge not humans. </span></b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>there will be bound to be objections to it.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">T</b></font></span><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>he Amish and Muslim fundamentalists<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>certainly.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span><br></b></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">John K Ckark</b></font></span></div></div></div>