<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2026 at 7:55 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Take the 'Game of Life' example. When run, the game produces constantly changing patterns, but it isn't necessary to capture these changes in order to transfer the game to a different computer. You just need the code and a specific starting point. That's all static information. It's the same with uploading.</font></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b>Yes and the game of life is Turing <span class="gmail_default" style="">C</span>omplete<span class="gmail_default" style="">, and so is the human mind as far as anybody can tell. </span></b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">
> <a href="https://www.brainpreservation.org/content-2/killed-bad-philosophy/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.brainpreservation.org/content-2/killed-bad-philosophy/<br></a>
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> In fact, this bad philosophy affects even the cryonics community. Alcor, for instance, is opposed to using chemical preservation even though it likely results is less information loss.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yeah, I am a<span class="gmail_default" style=""> fully paid up</span> Alcor member and<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>it pisses me off that<span class="gmail_default" style=""> ALCOR doesn't even offer </span>chemical preservation<span class="gmail_default" style=""> as an option, I've never heard a coherent reason why they don't, other than doing so might be bad for public relations. And I agree with you 100% that opposition to chemical preservation comes from <u style="">very bad philosophy!</u></span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" style="" face="georgia, serif"><i style=""><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span> I never understood why Alcor don't make this an option, so people can decide themselves. Having Aldehyde-stabilised cryonic preservation as an option doesn't prevent people deciding to take standard cryopreservation.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Exactly!<span class="gmail_default" style=""> I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has this view. </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Atoms are irrelevant, except as embodiment of information.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>Information patterns are what's important.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">Right, atoms are generic, they don't have my name scratched on them, good thing too because the atoms in my brain literally came from last year's mashed potatoes. </b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style=""><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">John K Clark </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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