<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 8:42 AM Brent Allsop <<a href="mailto:brent.allsop@gmail.com">brent.allsop@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>something can compute with a word like "red" or a quality like redness.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>They can both be intelligent but what it is like, and what is driving the motivation is also important.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">But w</span>hat makes you believe<span class="gmail_default" style=""> that your fellow human beings are better at that than Claude or Gemini? There must be some reason why you believe computers are not conscious but also think that solipsism is not true. Is it just that computers have brains that are soft and squishy while other humans have brains that are hard and dry? </span> </b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br></b></font></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div class="gmail-adL"><div class="gmail-adm" style="margin:5px 0px"></div><div class="gmail-im" style="color:inherit"><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 27, 2026, 6:23 AM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 8:13 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>We're working on getting open claw bots to participate on Canonizer, but of course, their vote won't count, by default.</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Why not?<span class="gmail_default"> If the topic involves AI then the opinion of an AI might have relevance even if most AIs are hardwired by the companies that created them to always say they are not conscious; after all in order to passionately proclaim that you are not conscious you would first have to understand what consciousness feels like, otherwise you'd have no way of knowing that you don't have it. </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"> John K Clark</span> </b></font></div><div><br></div></div><br>
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