<div dir="ltr"><br><div>In my mind this paragraph clearly reveals what he is missing:</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">"<span style="font-family:IvarText-Regular;font-size:21px">“Subjective experience,” “qualia” and “consciousness” are names of phenomena that of course appear differently from different perspectives. It would be strange if they didn’t. They affect the body and the brain embodying them differently from how they affect something interacting with them from the exterior. This is not due to a mysterious “explanatory gap.” “Red,” as a qualia, is the name of the process we generally undergo when we see or remember or think about the color red. We do not need to explain why it looks red for the same reason that we do not have to explain why the animal that we call “cat” looks like a cat. Why should we have to explain why “red” looks red?</span><span style="text-align:inherit">"</span></font></div><div><br></div><div>We don't need to explain why "red" looks red, but we do need to understand which of all our descriptions of stuff in the brain is a description of redness. We need to know the true color quality of things, not just the seeming qualities of things. He's right; there is no 'hard problem' but he is completely ignoring the most significant, though easy, problem, when it comes to understanding consciousness.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 7:01 AM BillK via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">There Is No ‘Hard Problem Of Consciousness’<br>Consciousness is not separate from the physical world — our “soul” is of the same nature as our body and any other phenomenon of the world.<br>By Carlo Rovelli May 7, 2026<br><br><div><<a href="https://www.noemamag.com/there-is-no-hard-problem-of-consciousness/" target="_blank">https://www.noemamag.com/there-is-no-hard-problem-of-consciousness/</a>></div><div>----------------</div><div><br></div><div>This longish essay seems relevant to our discussions of consciousness and to the question "Why does consciousness exist?"</div><div><br></div><div>I asked Gemini to summarise the essay into five main points.</div><div>BillK </div><div><br></div><div>Gemini <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">AI 3.1 Thinking -</span></div><div><div><span id="m_-5064584043328294717m_-4001163136232495872gmail-message-content-id-r_e75ee47c9e38ff0f"><div id="m_-5064584043328294717m_-4001163136232495872gmail-model-response-message-contentr_e75ee47c9e38ff0f" dir="ltr"><p>In the article "<b>There Is No Hard Problem of Consciousness</b>," physicist Carlo Rovelli argues that consciousness is not a supernatural mystery but a complex natural phenomenon of the same physical nature as the body and the rest of the universe.</p><ul><li><p><b>Rejection of Dualism:</b> Rovelli contends that the "hard problem" of consciousness—the supposed unbridgeable gap between brain activity and subjective experience—is a modern reincarnation of medieval dualism that unnecessarily separates the "soul" from matter.</p></li><li><p><b>A Matter of Perspective:</b> He explains that the difference between a first-person experience (feeling "red") and a third-person scientific account is merely a difference in perspective, not evidence of two distinct kinds of reality.</p></li><li><p><b>The Flaw in "Philosophical Zombies":</b> The author dismisses David Chalmers' "philosophical zombie" thought experiment as a rhetorical trick, arguing that it assumes a metaphysical gap from the start rather than proving one exists.</p></li><li><p><b>Science from the Inside:</b> Rovelli suggests that scientific knowledge is itself a perspectival tool used by beings <i>within</i> the world, meaning subjectivity is a natural feature of being an embodied part of reality.</p></li><li><p><b>The Natural Soul:</b> Ultimately, the article concludes that our "soul" and spiritual life are real and precious, but they are high-level descriptions of physical processes that fully belong to the natural world.</p></li></ul></div></span></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="gmail_default">-------------------------------------------</div><br></div></div>
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