<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 18, 2026, 4:19 PM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">It is perhaps worth considering the "market" for bitcoins.<br>
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It is essentially a way to keep governments from tracking money. </blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Bitcoin is very bad for that. All transactions are a matter of public record. Most people enter and exit through exchanges which follow "know your customer" laws, making tracing to real identities quite straight-forward.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The<br>
value of Bitcoin will rise depending on how much money people are<br>
trying to hide.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some other use cases to consider:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">- Inflation hedge</div><div dir="auto">- Portfolio diversification </div><div dir="auto">- A means to save in a country with unstable currency </div><div dir="auto">- Simplified international transfers </div><div dir="auto">- Ability to save and transact in remote areas with limited access to banks</div><div dir="auto">- Ability to flee country during political instability or turmoil without losing everything </div><div dir="auto">- A mechanism for non-persons (AI/Robots) to transact online</div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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This was the intent of Bitcoin from the very start.</blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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It has worked so far.<br>
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Keith<br>
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On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 12:36 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat<br>
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> On Mon, May 18, 2026, 1:28 PM John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 10:11 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>>>> > >> You've been telling people to sell their bitcoins since 2017.<br>
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>>>> >> I think you must be confusing me with somebody else, in 2017 I still foolishly believed bitcoin might be a net positive force in the world. I was dead wrong. In 2017 I never predicted the price of bitcoin would collapse, and certainly not collapse because of quantum computers. In 2017 I wasn't certain that building a fault tolerant quantum computer would even be possible, much less practical. But things have changed radically since 2017.<br>
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>>> > On September 13th, 2017 on this very e-mail list, you wrote "If you ever hear that Microsoft has built a topological quantum computer that can factor the number 15 then sell your Bitcoins, hold onto your hat, and get ready for a wild ride."<br>
>>> Note that IBM had factored the number 15 in 2001,<br>
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>> You think I didn't know that in 2017? That 2001 IBM quantum computer was NOT fault tolerant, nor did I imply in 2017 that a fault tolerant machine was likely to arrive soon, and if you intend to factor a number much greater than 15 you're going to need it to be fault tolerant; but today in 2026 I am saying something different, I am saying that such a machine will arrive soon. And when it does the shit is gonna hit the fan.<br>
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>> As for a topological quantum computer I stand by what I wrote then, if somebody announces they have made a breakthrough and have invented a topological quantum computer then bitcoin is toast. But in 2017 I didn't know if such a machine was possible, and in 2026 I still don't know if a topological quantum computer is practical or even possible, but that's not the only way to make a fault tolerant machine.<br>
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>>> > so in effect, you were telling people then that it was too late and to sell their bitcoins.<br>
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>> BULLSHIT! You are being disingenuous, and that really pisses me off.<br>
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> I did not know that a topological quantum computer was categorically different from IBM's, which was clear from my asking why I didn't know why it was important whether it was IBM or Microsoft that factored 15. Clearly then it was a misunderstanding on my part and not me being disingenuous. But I do consider your deleting that part of my email as likely motivated by disingenuous reasons.<br>
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