<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sun, May 31, 2026 at 1:10 AM Kelly Anderson <</span><a href="mailto:postmowoods@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">postmowoods@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Apologies, I thought you took it off list.</i></font></blockquote><div><font size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4"><b>Nope it was you. Since you did it by accident <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">and </span>didn't want it kept private<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> I will now send everything I wrote in response to you off the list to the list: </span></b></font></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><font size="4"><b>===</b></font></div></div><div style="font-size:0.875rem;padding:20px 0px 0px;font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:inherit;font-size:small">On Tue, May 26, 2026 at 10:11 PM Kelly Anderson <</span><a href="mailto:postmowoods@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">postmowoods@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;color:inherit;font-size:small">> wrote:</span></div><div style="font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,RobotoDraft,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-:17e" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-:17d" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;overflow:auto hidden"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-avWBGd-635"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:inherit"><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4"><i>>> >Bitcoin is JUST money. Nothing special about it</i></font></blockquote></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="color:inherit"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">>Me:</span> Nothing special about bitcoin except that it needs colossal amounts of energy to operate, and even 17 years after its introduction you still can't actually buy anything with it except for illegal drugs and other forms of money that you can actually use to buy stuff with.</b></font></blockquote><br></span><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>And, we're still cleaning up MULTIPLE huge disaster sites created by<span class="gmail_default"> </span>the mining of gold.<span class="gmail_default"> </span>The Romans ran enormous gold operations, most famously Las Médulas in<span class="gmail_default"> </span>northwest Spain (1st–3rd century AD), where they<span class="gmail_default"> [...]</span></font></i></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Your history of the many sins committed by gold miners over the last few thousand years was quite interesting but unfortunately nobody can change the past, however we can do something about the present and future sins of bitcoin miners. And the entire issue of gold is irrelevant to this discussion because the dollar has not been on the gold standard since 1971 when Nixon severed the last link between the U.S. dollar and gold by end<span class="gmail_default">ing </span>the ability of foreign governments to exchange dollars for gold, and even before that in 1933 Roosevelt made it illegal for US citizens to make that exchange. As for the other two major world currencies, the European euro and the Chinese yuan, they were NEVER on the gold standard, and yet those 3 currencies run the world<span class="gmail_default">,</span> and they can be directly used to buy things; and those are properties<span class="gmail_default"></span> that bitcoin does not have, and neither does gold.</b></font><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"> John K Clark</span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default">===</span></b></font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="color:inherit">On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 4:43 PM Kelly Anderson <</span><a href="mailto:postmowoods@gmail.com" target="_blank">postmowoods@gmail.com</a><span style="color:inherit">> wrote:</span><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-:ux" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;font-size:0.875rem;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-:uw" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:small;line-height:1.5;overflow:auto hidden"><div id="m_-2069336620368013425gmail-avWBGd-652"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><span style="color:inherit"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-weight:bold;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><b>><span class="gmail_default">>Me: </span></b></font><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Your history of the many sins committed by gold miners over the last few thousand years was quite interesting but unfortunately nobody can change the past, however we can do something about the present and future sins of bitcoin miners. And the entire issue of gold is irrelevant to this discussion because the dollar has not been on the gold standard since 1971 when Nixon severed the last link between the U.S. dollar and gold by ending the ability of foreign governments to exchange dollars for gold, and even before that in 1933 Roosevelt made it illegal for US citizens to make that exchange. As for the other two major world currencies, the European euro and the Chinese yuan, they were NEVER on the gold standard, and yet those 3 currencies run the world, and they can be directly used to buy things; and those are properties that bitcoin does not have, and neither does gold.</b></font></blockquote></span><i style="color:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>> </span>Once again, you miss the point. I think perhaps you do this on</font></i><br><i style="color:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">purpose. The point isn't that the dollar is linked to gold. Of course</font></i><br><i style="color:inherit"><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">it isn't. I wasn't speaking about the dollar, I was speaking about the</font></i><br><span style="color:inherit"><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4">past performance of gold AS MONEY.</font></i></span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large">OK so your point was about the historical<span class="gmail_default"> </span>mendacity of gold miners<span class="gmail_default">. Fine, but I thought this discussion was about bitcoin and the advantages and disadvantages it has over the paper forms of money that currently run the world. I don't understand what gold or gold miners have to do with the price of eggs in China. </span></b><br><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default">And speaking of "purpose", why did you purposely decide to take this debate off the list?  </span>W<span class="gmail_default">as</span> it because you lost confidence in the strength of your own arguments<span class="gmail_default"> and didn't wish to be publicly embarrassed? </span></b><br><span style="color:inherit"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204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