<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">On Sat, Jun 6, 2026 at 9:25 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <</span><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">> wrote:</span></div></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><b style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">>> human labor is definitely going away</span></b></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>I don't think I agree with this. Sure, we'll be able to get everything nice we have now, with near zero labor (our bots will get it for us) but humans tend to have an infinite desire, don't they?</i></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yes<span class="gmail_default" style=""> so AI, and Nanotechnology which will accompany it, will never be able to satisfy all desires, we still won't be able to move faster than light or travel to the past; but it can sure as hell provide a Universal Basic Income that is large enough to keep tens of millions of Americans from starving to death in the next few years, and it can provide free top notch healthcare to all US citizens, just as every other rich industrial nation on the planet has been doing for its citizens <u>FOR DECADES,</u> even though per capita they spend MUCH less on healthcare than the US does. </span></b></font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">But as people are starving and blood is running in the streets </span>a fossil like He Who Must <span class="gmail_default" style="">N</span>ot Be Named <span class="gmail_default" style="">will</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="">still be stuck</span> in the past <span class="gmail_default" style="">and </span>be obsessed with the obsolete liberal versus conservative dynamic while uttering clichés about the evils of welfare and asking stupid questions like "where will the money come from?" The only good that will come from this horror is that <span class="gmail_default" style="">his</span> ensuing unpopularity<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>will <span class="gmail_default" style="">make it</span> more difficult for him to achieve a third term.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style=""><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-:k8i" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-:kk6" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;line-height:1.5;overflow:auto hidden"><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-avWBGd-1528" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div style=""><font size="4" face="georgia, serif" style=""><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>Until all diseases are cured (including all types of aging), until there is no hunger anywhere on earth<span class="gmail_default" style="">...</span></i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Both those problems can be solved by simply<span class="gmail_default" style=""> making sure atoms are arranged in the correct pattern. </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div style=""><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-:k8i" style="direction:ltr;margin:8px 0px 0px;padding:0px;overflow-x:hidden"><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-:kk6" style="direction:ltr;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-feature-settings:normal;line-height:1.5;overflow:auto hidden"><div id="m_-1222070995136430682m_4505648744868760659gmail-avWBGd-1528" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div style=""><font size="4" style="" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>until we are all taking trips to the stars, until we have an infinite amount of phenomenal artwork experiences... to name just as few ininitely large tasks, <span class="gmail_default" style="">...</span></i></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><font size="4"><b>After it becomes clear that the purpose of life <span class="gmail_default" style="">can</span><span class="gmail_default" style=""> not</span> <span class="gmail_default" style="">be </span>work<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span><span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span></b></font><font size="4" style=""><b style="">AI is not going to be able to<span class="gmail_default" style=""> answer the question "is existence better than non-existence?" </span>Each individual is going to have to find their own answer to that<span class="gmail_default" style="">. And some may not like the answer they come up with, so I wouldn't be surprised if the suicide rate goes up. As for me I don't care if the universe thinks I'm useless because the universe has its opinion and I have mine. </span></b></font></font></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style=""> John K Clark</b></font></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
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