<div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">We can always change the name, but the best so far seems to be SolarSyngas.</div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">I have considerable doubt that this is enough time to build it before the singularity runs over everything<br></div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">Keith<br></div><br></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Best wishes,<br><br>Keith<br></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2026 at 2:35 AM Opener of the Way <<a href="mailto:openerofthewaysentbymary@gmail.com">openerofthewaysentbymary@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">How about: <div dir="auto"> SolarForged Syngas</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 8, 2026, 12:02 AM Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">I think O'Neill mentioned a 2 for one orbit, half a lunar month. But it does not make any difference as long as it is in free space.</div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">At one point, I looked into lunar elevators. They work by going through L1 and hanging down into the Earth's gravity. As I recall, if you extended that part to around 190,000 km you were at the end of a Hohmann transfer orbit to GEO.</div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_default">The big problem with any space colony proposal is to find something for the inhabitants to do. That takes materials. A space elevator off the moon would give them that. <br></div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:x-small"> h</span>Best wishes,<br><br>Keith<br></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 7, 2026 at 4:24 PM Mark Sonter <<a href="mailto:mark.sonter@asteroidenterprises.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">mark.sonter@asteroidenterprises.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A 3:1 lunar resonant orbit (ie 9-day period) will have a perigee a couple of thousand km above GEO and an apogee a couple of thousand km below EM L1 altitude, but 180 degrees away
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">We had a bit of a look at this when I was associated with Deep Space Industries, but nothing was ever written up / published.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 4 June 2026 8:56 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: Need creative help<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-CA">Interesting. I assume that you mean an orbit in a 3:2 orbital resonance with the Moon, just as Hilda is in a 3:2 orbital resonance with Jupiter?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN-CA">Has anyone published anything on the orbital dynamics of such a quasi-Hilda in the Earth-Moon system? If so, I’d be interested to take a look.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Sonter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 3, 2026 11:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jerome.glenn@millennium-project.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">jerome.glenn@millennium-project.org</a>; 'Paul Werbos' <<a href="mailto:paul.werbos@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">paul.werbos@gmail.com</a>>; 'John Clark' <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">What about habitats in an Earth-Moon Hilda orbit?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Closer than L4 or L5. Resonant with the Moon. Close to GEO at Perigee, and to EM L1 altitude at apogee..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Can be fed by mass launched from Moon, or imported from NEAs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Comments?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Principal, Asteroid Enterprises Pty Ltd, abn 53 008 115 302<br>
Chairman, Off Earth Resources Pty Ltd, abn 31 664 219 372<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 3 June 2026 11:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Paul Werbos' <<a href="mailto:paul.werbos@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">paul.werbos@gmail.com</a>>; 'John Clark' <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Keith Henson' <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>>; 'ExI chat list' <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: Need creative help<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:power-satellite-economics@googlegroups.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">power-satellite-economics@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:power-satellite-economics@googlegroups.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">power-satellite-economics@googlegroups.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Werbos<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 3, 2026 8:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Keith Henson <<a href="mailto:hkeithhenson@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">hkeithhenson@gmail.com</a>>; ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>>;
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was intended to bring greater strength through greater unity, but opening to a larger constituency can sometimes dilute focus. O'Neill had a clear vision, and it is sad how it is not so visible to the world now as it was then.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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