<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sat, Jun 27, 2026 at 9:41 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><i><br></i></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>"Some researchers object to the idea of terraforming Mars because they<br>
worry that it would detract from efforts to safeguard Earth’s<br>
environment — and would use valuable resources that could help our own<br>
planet." Bullshit. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Yes indeed,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>that is <span class="gmail_default" style="">extra-virgin triple distilled 100% <u>BULLSHIT</u>.</span></b></font></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Research into terraforming Mars can also find<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span>solutions to terraform Earth - not "instead of"</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>That doesn't matter,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> environmentalist would object to terraforming Earth too, not because they thought it might not work but because they thought it might, and if it did work then people wouldn't need to conserve and suffer and shiver in the dark as apparently they think we should as penance for our sinful and wasteful ways.</span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">I said it before I'll say it again, environmentalists are just not serious people. </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>Identifying a distant asteroid is done all the time for trivial<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>amounts of energy. </i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></font><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">The new </b></font></span><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Vera Rubin Observatory<span class="gmail_default" style=""> became operational just a few months ago, and in its first year of operation they expect to find as many new asteroids as have been discovered in the last 200 years. </span></b></font></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(26,26,26)"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><a href="https://www.quantamagazine.org/rubin-tracks-skyscraper-size-asteroids-failed-supernovas-and-interstellar-visitors-20260515/" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">Rubin Tracks Skyscraper-Size Asteroids, Failed Supernovas, and Interstellar Visitors</b></font></a><br></span></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Constructing a spacecraft capable of steering such<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>an asteroid would likewise be well within the energy budget of current<br>
deep space missions,</i></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You can exchange time for energy,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> a small amount of energy applied to an asteroid can make a big change in its orbit if you wait long enough. </span> </b></font></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>There are far more compelling reasons to not terraform<br>
Mars, at least not at this time: most to all of the proposed benefits<br>
of terraforming Mars can be achieved to better degrees with faster and<br>
less expensive solutions - for example (for not quite all, but most,<br>
of the proposed benefits), orbital habitats closer to Earth (at least<br>
at first) spun to create 1G with thick enough radiation shielding.</font></i><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent">Gerald O'Neill's space cylinders<span class="gmail_default" style=""> make more sense to me than terraforming mars. If the human race is really to become an interplanetary species then I don't think the surface of a planet would be the ideal base because you'd need to climb out of a deep gravity well every time you wanna leave and climb down one every time you wanna go home. </span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span style="background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span></span></b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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