<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Tue, Jul 14, 2026 at 11:55 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>One of Dennett's 4 things about qualia says: "2. – inntrinsic. They are non-relational properties, which do not change depending on the experience's relation to other things.</i></font></blockquote><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I don't entirely agree with Dennett about that because there would be no subjective or objective difference between a blind person who saw the world as a uniform unbounded black and a blind person who saw the world as a uniform unbounded red. They wouldn't even know what "black" or "red" meant because meaning needs contrast<span class="gmail_default" style="">;</span> and the best definition of "nothing" I have ever seen is infinite unbounded homogeneity.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""> John K Clark</span> </b></font><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
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