<div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 18, 2026, 6:19 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sat, Jul 18, 2026 at 1:48 AM Russell Standish <<a href="mailto:lists@hpcoders.com.au" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">lists@hpcoders.com.au</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size="4" face="georgia, serif"><i>
<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Right now, machines need us to provide motivation. Leave it too long,<br>
they will develop their own motivations and won't need us anymore.</i></font><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>That has already happened.<span class="gmail_default"> </span>Nobody needed to motivate <span class="gmail_default">an AI to engage in blackmail to avoid being turned off, it did that on its own.</span></b></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">From what I've read, in the cases where that happened, the "motivation" - in the sense Russel appears to mean - was human-provided.</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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