<div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">A very slow data rate is still a stupid idea. <br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">The US uses a slow data rate to communicate with subs. The antennas are incredibly long.<br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br>Keith<br></div></div><div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 27, 2026 at 12:58 PM Mike Dougherty via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><mike></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">I'm curious if there are cross-scale examples of this maturity filter. do old humans dismiss young humans for similar attention span differences?</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"></mike></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><gemini></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Yes, this cross-scale dynamic exists. While advanced cosmic civilizations might filter us using millennia, older humans frequently filter younger humans using months or years based on attention spans, delayed gratification, and long-term planning.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">In sociology, psychology, and organizational behavior, this is often studied through lenses like temporal horizon and executive functioning.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">## 1. The Institutional "Maturity Filters"</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">In professional and academic worlds, older generations have built systemic "attention filters" to test whether younger people can handle long-term commitments:</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* Academic Drudgery: A PhD program or a medical residency is rarely just an intelligence test; it is an attention and endurance filter. Senior academics often "dismiss" or filter out brilliant but impatient minds who cannot tolerate years of slow, incremental research.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* The "Pay Your Dues" Corporate Culture: Senior executives often ignore the strategic ideas of entry-level employees not because the ideas are inherently bad, but because the junior employee hasn’t demonstrated the multi-year stamina required to see a massive project through to completion.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">## 2. Cognitive Development and "Time Horizons"</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Biologically, the brain's prefrontal cortex (responsible for long-term planning and impulse control) isn't fully developed until around age 25. [1, 2] </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* Subjective Time vs. Objective Time: To a 5-year-old, a summer vacation feels like an eternity because it represents a massive percentage of their total life experience. To a 60-year-old, a summer is a blink.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* The Dismissal: Because adults operate on a multi-year time horizon, they naturally dismiss the immediate, high-energy crises of teenagers as "phases." The adult understands that the thermodynamic "heat" the teenager is expending on a short-term issue is inefficient and unsustainable.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">## 3. The "Maturity Handshake"</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Spike's email mentions that showing maturity means understanding the trade-offs of time-space entropy. We see the exact same thing in human relationships:</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* The Shift in Conversation: A young adult passes the "filter" and is finally accepted as an equal by older mentors when they stop asking for immediate fixes and start discussing 5- or 10-year trajectories.</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* Demonstrating Stamina: Just as an advanced Matrioshka Brain (MBrain) might wait to see if we can sustain an observation over a decade, an older mentor or investor waits to see if a young person will stick with a discipline after the initial excitement wears off. [3] </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">* </div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">[1] [<a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com" target="_blank">https://www.psychologytoday.com</a>](<a href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-humans-in-a-digital-world/201904/parenting-in-a-digital-age-what-experts-are-saying" target="_blank">https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/raising-humans-in-a-digital-world/201904/parenting-in-a-digital-age-what-experts-are-saying</a>)</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">[2] [<a href="https://www.drlisalong.com" target="_blank">https://www.drlisalong.com</a>](<a href="https://www.drlisalong.com/blog/failure-to-launch-syndrome-parent-guide" target="_blank">https://www.drlisalong.com/blog/failure-to-launch-syndrome-parent-guide</a>)</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">[3] [<a href="https://www.instagram.com" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com</a>](<a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYQrUJLsCoU/" target="_blank">https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYQrUJLsCoU/</a>)</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">null<br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"></gemini></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">I'm not sure if i consider myself "old human" or "young human" - in the context of a longevitist, I'm freshly hatched... but there does seem to be a preponderance of even-more-recently-hatched humans around, y'know?</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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