<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 3:28 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5687266052929882006"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_5687266052929882006WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> </span></p><div style="border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> John Clark <<a href="mailto:johnkclark@gmail.com" target="_blank">johnkclark@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 11 August, 2026 12:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" target="_blank">spike@rainier66.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] conspiracy theories, was: RE: Satoshi<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">We were told the vaccine was safe and effective.</span></b></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">It is/was. The people who got the vaccine were substantially less likely to die if they got COVID-19. The vaccine was disappointing, not because of the vaccine, but because of human immune systems and the virus. It could have turned out like measles where getting either the disease or the vaccine made you immune for life. Didn't work out that way, the immunity faded fairly quickly like cold viruses but it still made a difference even after that. Re saft, no vaccine is entirely without risk. Smallpox vaccine (cowpox) kills about one in a million. At one point in the last 30 years the US was considering vaciating everyone for smallpox. They didn't partly because of this problem though a pilot program vaccinated a modest number of medical people.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Another big factor was the virus evolved to evade immunity. That is a saga in itself. They think one of the versions evolved in South Africa in someone who had a persistent co-infection of COVID and HIV. Turned out to be way more infectious, but much less lethal than the first version. We were lucky it didn't become more lethal.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">It is possible you need to read up on the subject. I was first exposed to this subject in the 4th grade. The school library had a copy of _Microbe Hunters_. Way old, but still a good background.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5687266052929882006"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_5687266052929882006WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">>…And he mentioned this at a time when hundreds of Americans were dying from Covid <u>EVERY DAY</u> and 20 times that number we're getting very sick from it. And there's nothing theoretical about it, it's a fact that a pregnant woman getting Covid increases her risk of having a miscarriage.</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">John K Clark<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Ja, and that argument presumes the vaccine was effective in stopping the virus. I see little evidence it did much. Maybe a little, short term benefit.</span></b></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Spike, that's utter nonsense. I followed the pandemic in real time. It made a huge difference in mortality rates, like reducing your chances of dying by a factor of perhaps ten to be vaccinated. <br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5687266052929882006"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_5687266052929882006WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">What I think really happened there is Dr. Fauci was blinded by the possibility that modern medicine was finally getting an effective weapon against viruses. We figured out how to extract mRNA from a virus,</span></b></span> <br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5687266052929882006"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_5687266052929882006WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> we could concentrate it, perhaps injecting it into healthy people would alert the immune system to recognize and fight the virus sooner. The theory seems sound enough. But it didn’t work as well as I would have thought.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"></span></b></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">That's how all vaccines work, though it is not concentrated, sometimes diluted, sometimes killed, sometimes weakened. The original polio vaccine was killed, the later one was weakened. Read Microbe Hunters for how they made a rabies vaccine/treatment.</div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br></div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">I happen to be an engineer, but I have had an interest in biology for decades and understand this stuff fairly well. One of the things they figured out in the aftermath was the value of dexamethasone in acute Covid cases. </div><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Keith <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg5687266052929882006"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;" lang="EN-US"><div class="m_5687266052929882006WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">spike<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></b></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5687266052929882006gmaildefault"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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