<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Fri, Aug 14, 2026 at 4:35 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="georgia, serif"><span style="font-size:14pt">></span><span style="font-size:12pt;background-color:transparent"><span style="font-size:14pt">John, let us not forget that Claude, GPT, are us. Grok is a more unfiltered us. We wrote the material these AI tools are trained on.</span></span></font></i></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>OK I'll ask <u>exactly</u> the same question to <span class="gmail_default" style="">G</span>rok<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>that I asked to GPT and Claude and we'll see if <span class="gmail_default" style="">Grok</span> is also a <span class="gmail_default" style="">woke </span>lefty<span class="gmail_default" style="">.</span><span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">==</span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><u>ME</u>: </span><span style="background-color:transparent">A friend of mine claimed that the Covid virus vaccine didn't work and the only reason COVID is not killing people at the rate it once did is because it evolved to become less lethal; as proof he offered the fact that most Americans have not kept up-to-date with their COVID vaccine immunizations but the death toll from COVID is still far less than what it once was. I think he's dead wrong about that but what do you think?</span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div><p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4"><strong><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><u>GROK</u>:</font></span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> "</span>Your friend is partially right about viral evolution reducing lethality but <u>wrong that the vaccines “didn’t work” or that low recent uptake proves they were irrelevan</u>t.</strong> The sharp drop in COVID-19 deaths reflects <em>multiple</em> factors acting together: widespread prior infection + vaccination creating population-level hybrid immunity, intrinsic changes in circulating variants (especially Omicron and its descendants), better treatments, and changes in testing/reporting. <u>The vaccines demonstrably reduced severe disease and death</u> when they mattered most and continue to provide measurable protection against the worst outcomes.</font></p>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4">Vaccines worked (and still work) against severe outcomes</font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Early and ongoing real-world data show high effectiveness against hospitalization and death:</font></p>
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<li><font size="4">Primary series and early boosters were highly protective against severe disease and death with ancestral, Alpha, and Delta strains. Population-level analyses linked higher vaccination coverage to lower mortality rates.</font></li>
<li><font size="4">Against Omicron and later lineages, protection against infection waned and was lower, but protection against hospitalization, ICU/ventilation, and death remained substantial—often in the 40–80% range depending on the study, outcome, time since dose, age, and variant. Recent 2024–2025 and 2025–2026 vaccine evaluations (test-negative designs, cohort studies) continue to show meaningful additional protection: roughly 35–55% against hospitalization and higher (often ~60–80%) against the most severe endpoints such as invasive mechanical ventilation or death, even months after dosing. Effectiveness is generally higher against the worst outcomes and in higher-risk groups.</font></li>
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<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Updated formulations still add benefit on top of existing immunity. Absolute risk is now much lower for most people, so the <em>number needed to vaccinate</em> to prevent one severe event is higher than in 2021, but the relative benefit persists.</font></p>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4">Evolution toward lower severity is real—but incomplete without immunity</font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Omicron and its descendants (JN.1 lineage and later) were associated with lower intrinsic severity than Delta or earlier strains in multiple analyses—lower rates of progression to hospitalization, ICU, or death even after adjusting for some confounders. Case-fatality rates fell dramatically. This is consistent with evolutionary pressures favoring transmissibility over virulence in a partially immune population, plus changes in tissue tropism.</font></p>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">However, studies that try to separate the contributions typically find <em>both</em> lower viral virulence <em>and</em> high population immunity (from vaccination + prior infection) were responsible for the milder observed disease. Unvaccinated or less-immune individuals continued to face higher risks of severe outcomes even in Omicron eras. Hybrid immunity provides particularly robust protection against severe disease.</font></p>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4"><u>Low recent uptake does not prove the vaccines failed</u></font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Most Americans have not stayed current with the latest seasonal COVID shots (recent coverage for the updated formulations has often been in the teens for adults overall and higher but still limited among the elderly). That is accurate. But this does not mean “the vaccines didn’t work”:</font></p>
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<li><font size="4">The large majority of the population already has some immunity from earlier primary series, prior boosters, and/or one or more infections. Baseline protection against severe disease is therefore high for most people.</font></li>
<li><font size="4"><u>Death rates plummeted after the initial vaccine rollout</u> and especially after widespread infection + vaccination, well before recent low uptake became the norm.</font></li>
<li><font size="4">Current low death tolls occur against a backdrop of that accumulated immunity, milder variants, antiviral treatments (e.g., Paxlovid), improved clinical management, and less aggressive testing/attribution of deaths. COVID is no longer the dominant cause of respiratory mortality it once was, but it still causes tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations annually in the U.S., disproportionately among the elderly and those with comorbidities—groups that continue to benefit most from updated vaccination.</font></li>
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<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">If the vaccines had been inert, the early mortality curves and the persistent differences by vaccination status (even after Omicron) would look very different. Analyses estimating lives saved by vaccination programs consistently find large numbers averted.</font></p>
<h3 dir="auto"><font size="4">Bottom line</font></h3>
<p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4">Your friend correctly notes that the virus became less lethal on average and that most people are not getting every updated shot. Those observations are true<u>.</u> The inference that the vaccines therefore “didn’t work” does not follow.<u> Vaccines provided strong protection against the outcomes that matter most (severe disease and death), contributed substantially to the decline in mortality alongside natural infection and viral evolution, and still offer incremental </u>benefit<u> today</u>—especially for higher-risk people. Both evolution <em>and</em> immunity explain why COVID is far less deadly now than in 2020–2021.<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"</span></font></p><p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>==</b></font></span><br></p><p dir="auto" style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">G<span class="gmail_default" style="">olly, it's even worse than I thought, Grok is also a woke left-wing ultra liberal just like Claude and GPT! </span></b></font></p></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Recall back when Eliza the artificial therapist was a big thing, back in the 70s.</i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4"><b>Oh yes there's very little difference between<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> </span><span style="background-color:transparent">Eliza<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> and today's modern AI's. </span></span></b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i> <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>It was such a fun toy, </i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Why do you think "It was such a fun toy"?</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i style=""><font size="4" style="" face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="">> </span>seemingly insightful</font></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>That's interesting<span class="gmail_default" style="">,</span> tell me more.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>But it fed back what we told it. </font></i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Why do you say "<span class="gmail_default" style=""></span><i style="background-color:transparent">it fed back what we told it<span class="gmail_default" style="">"?</span></i></b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>That’s all</i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_default" style=""><font size="4" style="" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b style="">" That's all" is the key. </b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>it did. </font></i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">"</span>It did<span class="gmail_default" style="">"</span> is the key<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span> </b></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>These AI tools are doing likewise.</i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Why do you these AI tools are doing likewise<span class="gmail_default" style="">?</span></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="4"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:16px"><span style="font-size:14pt"><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>That doesn’t mean they are wrong.</font></i></span></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><font size="4">Tell me about your mother.<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span></font> </b></font></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg1536395091533042356"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_1536395091533042356WordSection1"><p class="m_1536395091533042356gmail-font-claude-response-body"><span class="m_1536395091533042356gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:14pt"><span class="gmail_default" style=""><b style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></b><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif">> </font></i></span><i style=""><font face="georgia, serif">But claiming reality has a particular political bias is working a little too hard to promote a particular political bias.</font></i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>OK let's <span class="gmail_default" style="">sum </span>things up<span class="gmail_default" style="">. You believe that <u>Nature</u> is Wrong, <u>Science</u> is wrong, <u>GPT</u> is wrong, <u>Claude</u> is wrong and even <u>Grok</u> is wrong, but Twitter and Breitbart are correct. Spike, I think it might be time for you to consider the possibility that maybe just maybe your worldview needs some reevaluation. </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style=""><br></span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark </span> </b></font></div></div></div>