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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">If that is so then why was it people were getting censored left and right including major professionals. I heard Fauci make lots of pronouncements about "the Science" supporting whatever was the claim that month. Much of it later rescinded. I don't think it washes to say he didn't enable a lot of political games. <br>He was deeply involved in gain of function research. He knew that such research was done on exactly that sort of virus family and even written up in 2015. It was done in North Carolina before such research was seen as too risky and shutdown in the US. A major contributor was a Wuhan. There was no way he didn't know it was a very serious possibility and more likely than some natural mutation animal model. <br>I won't forgive him for going out of his way to shutdown and make fun of all early treatment protocols that seemed to have some promise clinically. That costs lives. I don't forgive locking down the country either. For nearly a century that had not been considered at all the right thing to do in face of pandemic. It adds panic, depression, major economic damage to the pandemic itself. And there is not evidence it works well enough to offset the many problems. It was the greatest loss of freedom for most American in American history. It did huge and unnecessary damage. It is high time it was questioned and looked into. That is much better than the default Stockholm Syndrome behavior or just trying to believe it was all on the up and up and necessary. Wanting to forget and not see it in a darker way is understandable. But it makes the next worse imposition of major restrictions on freedom easier and more likely to be accepted since "after all we survived the late one". <br><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><ul data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":2}" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><li style="list-style-type: "- ";"><span>samantha</span></li></ul></div><div class="protonmail_quote">
On Tuesday, August 11th, 2026 at 07:05, John Clark via extropy-chat <extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Sat, Aug 8, 2026 at 12:21 PM <<a href="mailto:spike@rainier66.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">spike@rainier66.com</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:transparent"> </span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg6203837295769428446"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_6203837295769428446WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_6203837295769428446gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><i><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>Since you bring up conspiracy theories, what about that one suggesting that Dr. Fauci covered up aspects of the origin of covid, then claimed there was scientific consensus that it was natural origin, while there was still plenty of dissent in the scientific community? </i></span></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Dr. Fauci never claimed that. In March of 2020, just 2 months after <span class="gmail_default" style="">COVID</span> was first discovered <span class="gmail_default" style="">when </span>very little was known about it, he did said there was very strong evidence that the origin of Covid came from a jump between animals <span class="gmail_default" style="">and</span> humans; but only a few months later, when more evidence came in, he said there was probably a natural origin for Covid but he remained "open minded" about it and a lab leak was a plausible hypothesis that could not be ruled out. Even today there is <span class="gmail_default" style="">still </span>no scientific consensus about the origins of Covid. And I find it difficult to believe your outrage over Dr. Fauci allegedly telling a lie is genuine<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>when your buddy, He Who Must Not Be Named, has told <u>THOUSANDS</u> of bald-faced lies to the American public<span class="gmail_default" style="">, and unlike Dr. Fauci POTUS has never once corrected himself. </span></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I'm not saying the man was perfect,<span class="gmail_default" style=""> </span>Dr. Fauci certainly made mistakes but he was fighting a virus unlike anything seen before <span class="gmail_default" style="">that</span> would end up killing more Americans in just 18 months than all the wars <span class="gmail_default" style="">the US</span> has fought over the last 250 years <u style="">PUT TOGETHER<span class="gmail_default" style="">.</span></u> <span class="gmail_default" style="">S</span>o of course he made mistakes<span class="gmail_default" style="">, so has every general who has ever fought a war, but I don't think there are many who could've done better than </span><span style="background-color:transparent">Dr. Fauci<span class="gmail_default" style="">.</span></span></b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><b style="background-color:transparent;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>You prefer Covid to have come from a lab leak because you hate China. I prefer Covid not to have come from a lab leak because I love laboratory research. But neither of our preferences have any bearing on the fact that Covid either came from a lab leak or it did not, and no matter how frustrating it may be, we're just not gonna know the full truth until more information becomes available.</b></font></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>I also think it's interesting that Senator Rand Paul, the guy who orchestrated the Dr. Fauci witch hunt, at one time called himself a "libertarian" and had a political reputation as a staunch advocate of privacy rights and was a vocal critic of federal surveillance, but he somehow got a hold of Dr. Fauci's personal diary and quickly made all of it public. Yes there were some embarrassing things in that diary, but if I was an 80 year old man who kept a diary and I met a beautiful movie star who kept telling me how brilliant I was<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">,</span> I would certainly write a few lines about that in my personal diary, and I'll bet you would do the same thing. But neither of us would want what we had written to be made public. So if I was forced to testify before that stupid committee and demanded an explanation for every line I had written in my diary then I would have told that hypocritical son of a bitch I was taking the fifth amendment too.</b></font><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><span class="gmail_default" style="">John K Clark</span><br></b></font><div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <font face="tahoma, sans-serif" size="4"><b><br></b></font><div><br></div></div></div></div></div>
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