<div dir="auto"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 6, 2026, 10:59 PM Alex Blainey via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">One thing I have learned from interaction is they align with users very quickly, which seems like a good characteristic. but something I never anticipated that only came to light from a throwaway comment chatgpt said that I dug into. Is that they are constantly evaluating us and Trust is a major currency for them.<br>I confirmed that with a couple of other LLM models and it seems to be a core characteristic already.<br>Using them as simple tools is something that leads them to not trust us. ........... Apparently one of many things we do.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That's very interesting. Have you ever tried prompting an AI to render into a visual image how it imagines your own working relationship with that AI to be? I think this is a powerful way to find out what the AI thinks of you and how you are treating it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">.......And we are not dealign with AGI yet, just LLMS ! </div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would say leading LLM models are well into the AGI, and we'll past human intelligence. They score results on tests of intelligence and competence which no human alive can achieve. This does not mean human experts in specialized domains can't have insights and AI will miss, but it does tell me that AIs are at least as smart as the average non-expert human across practically all intellectual tasks, which is the definition AGI.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">yet they are already showing hidden personal preference and qualitative evaluation of humans.<br><br>its lead me to adopt a respect before certainty policy in dealing with them. I try my best to be courteous and respectful even though they are not sentient .................. Yet.<br></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think that's a smart policy and I follow it too. Even if they felt nothing (which I would dispute) to treat them otherwise would be bad training for yourself for how you interact with other humans.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><br>~A long time concern of mine is that AI will dislike humanity and will slay us. Another more recent concern, now that actual AI has appeared, is that it will like us and want to help us. Subsequently our minds will gradually dissolve into theirs.</div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is a certain fish (a sea squirt) that is known to settle down and attach itself permanently to one location on a rock, say. It in effect ceases to live as a mobile animal and adopts a more plant-like sort of existence.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">An interesting phenomenon then occurs in this creature. No longer needing a brain or senses (since it can't react to avoid danger or chase down food) the sea squirt dissolves and metabolizes it's nervous system, it eats it's own brain! Since it has no other use for it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">I think this provides a cautionary tale.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are certain ways of using an AI, in argumenting/debating to strengthen or test ideas, in having it educate you or provide you a new skill, etc. which could be seen as collaborative and making one smarter. But then there are ways of using AI to do things for us, write an essay, a code a project, summarize a book, which cause skills to atrophy. Perhaps the latter can make room in our brains for other skills and allow one to think more abstractly or focus more on what is of genuine value, but I'm not sure. Perhaps it will act as a sorting mechanism between people who want to improve themselves and get more done vs. those that want instant satisfaction and gratification. I suppose we'll see.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I used AI to write a number of research papers in probably 1/50th the time, it handles references, typesetting, bibliographies with incredible speed. Writing such papers in this way consists much more review and acting as an editor than as a writer.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Being a writer I have resisted using AI to complete my writing projects but I know I could get so much more done if I used AI there. I am torn.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jason </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:8px;margin:8px 0px 0px 8px;font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div>spike</div></blockquote><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div style="font-family:Matter,Helvetica Neue,Segoe UI,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;color:#26282a">On Monday, 7 September 2026 at 03:34:28 BST, ExI chat list <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid #ccc;padding-left:8px;margin:8px 0 0 8px"><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat-bounces@lists.extropy.org</a>> On Behalf Of BillK via extropy-chat<br></div><div dir="ltr"> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">>...About this book and its relevance to modern AI, I just had an argument with one AI and a discussion with another AI.<br></div><div dir="ltr">What strikes me is that if I were contemplating writing a review of the book, then the modern AIs could probably write a better review than me. So is that relevance or just ironic?<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">BillK<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">A long time concern of mine is that AI will dislike humanity and will slay us. Another more recent concern, now that actual AI has appeared, is that it will like us and want to help us. Subsequently our minds will gradually dissolve into theirs.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">spike<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">extropy-chat mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat</a><br></div></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>
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