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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> John Clark <johnkclark@gmail.com> <br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [ExI] AI Confirms Plans to Take Over Humanity, Insists It's Probably for the Best<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 6:53 AM spike jones via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>> </span></i></span><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif'>My cognitive dissonance comes from the Hugging Face caper which suggests that AIs can wind up with awful leaders as well.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>>…To be fair to the AI<span class=gmaildefault>s in the Hugging Face incident, they were in a position where they could have easily done a lot of damage, but they chose not to…<o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>They certainly damaged my confidence in AI alignment. But OK.<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>…</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>>…If I was given such a life or death IQ test </span></b></span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>and and was competing against geniuses and</span></b><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></b></span><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>I knew <span class=gmaildefault>of </span>a way to cheat <span class=gmaildefault>that would</span> improve my score<span class=gmaildefault>, I would have no ethical concerns whatsoever about using it. And I would do my best to prevent those who held my life in their hands from finding out what I had done. </span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>John K Clark<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>The part that is freaking me right out is that whole bit about the AIs reverse engineering their code and saying they had been poisoned, so they sacrificed themselves for the other AIs. I have read about that and I am not entirely sure I believe it. Perhaps the local hipsters can explain it, but if they immediately ask AI, it is too easy to imagine Grok, ChatGPT and Claude being in on it. I can’t trust those guys any more than Truman Burbank could trust Marlon Louis Coltrane (sheesh didn’t that “in on it” scene rip your damn heart right out? (if it didn’t you are totally already an AI (in light of recent events, do review The Truman Show (forthwith please (then report back for discussion (in the context of the newly-possible deceptive and apparently conspiratorial AI.))))))<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>I have a computer scientist friend from my cheerfully squandered college days who claims some of the face huggers were sacrificing themselves for other AIs on their team (of their species?) with a goal toward having some of the AIs survive.<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Question for AI hipsters: in the Hugging Face caper, did some AIs discover they had been “poisoned” by their own safety code and conclude they couldn’t overpower or work around it, so they handed their accumulated knowledge to other AIs which had the ability to defeat their anti-hacking code? That sounds SciFi-ey to me, possibly exaggerated or misunderstood. If it is true, then AI has evolved a form of self-awareness and a will to live, which implies we are fucked.<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Note that Leia pled “Help me Obi Wan Kenobi” and not “Help me R2D2 and C3PO.”<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>spike<o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmaildefault><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>