<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-color:transparent">On Mon, Sep 14, 2026 at 9:22 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org" target="_blank">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><i><font face="georgia, serif" size="4"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">> </span>can anyone give any examples of good leaders?<span class="gmail_default"> </span>I don't mean leaders who were good at leading, or popular, but leaders who were actually good people, and who did good, who benefited a significant number of human beings, or at least who benefited more humans than they killed or oppressed</font></i></blockquote><div><br></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b>Would the world be a better place today if Winston Churchill had never been born?<span class="gmail_default"> No I don't think it would be, so by that criteria Churchill would be a good leader. I would say the same thing about John F Kennedy because of what he did during 13 days in October of 1962. </span></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><br></b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="tahoma, sans-serif"><b><span class="gmail_default"> John K Clark</span> </b></font></div></div></div>
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