<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color:transparent">On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 4:44 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <<a href="mailto:extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org">extropy-chat@lists.extropy.org</a>> wrote:</span></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">snip</div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
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On Tuesday, 15 September 2026 at 12:44, Mike Dougherty <</span><a href="mailto:msd001@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="font-size:14px">msd001@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:14px">> wrot<span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">e.</span></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">snip</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><div style=""><br><div dir="auto" style="font-size:14px"><span>Keith is our local EP expert, but from my llimited knowledge of it, I'd expect that the more AI can demonstrate that it can improve people's lives, the more popular it will become. </span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Not sure that three academic papers makes me an expert. But the last one might be applicable.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14.4px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Genetic Selection for War in Prehistoric Human Populations. H. Keith Henson, Arel Lucas (2025) Journal of Big History, VIII(2); 124–127. DOI | <a rel="mw:ExtLink nofollow" href="https://doi.org/10.22339/jbh.v8i2.8207" class="external gmail-free" style="text-decoration-line:none;color:var(--color-progressive,#36c);background:url("/w/skins/Vector/resources/skins.vector.styles/images/link-external-small-ltr-progressive.svg?fb64d") 100% 50%/0.857em no-repeat;border-radius:2px;padding-right:1em;word-break:break-all">https://doi.org/10.22339/jbh.v8i2.8207</a></li></ul></div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Competition from AIs is a long, long way from our history and selection. It is a genetically selected trait of humans who think they are facing a bleak future to circulate xenophobic memes which, in the environment of selection, led to social unrest and eventually led to wars.</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><div style=""><div dir="auto" style="font-size:14px"><span>Unfortunately, so far the trend seems to be in the opposite direction. AIs (or LLMs, to be accurate) are actively making our lives worse, at least for those of us with internet access.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I don't see that, at least not yet. My email spam does not have an AI flavor to it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="background-color:transparent"></span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent">Some p</span><span style="background-color:transparent">eople</span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"></span><span style="background-color:transparent"> see AI data centers competing for energy and water in their environment.</span><span class="gmail_default" style="background-color:transparent"> This likely trips the "bleak future" detector. Being inundated with stories about how they will take your job and eat your lunch does not help either. Of course, as Ben Goertzel has pointed out, some of this is contrived by people with an ax to grind.</span></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">As I pointed out 20 years ago (in fiction) there is no way to make AI without risk. The problem is not AIs, but humans who you can't make safe. They will use AI for nefarious purposes. Fortunately, most such people are not competent enough to do much harm.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><div style=""><span style="font-size:14px">K<span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">eith</span></span></div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><div style=""><br><span style="font-size:14px">Ben</span><br>
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